[technochick99]

standards which should be recognized and other things that should be stigmatized

I agree. And much of what you listed should be illegal. But to go further than that, one can stigmatize something and not have to make it illegal. I am a Libt., but a 'moral' one. I probably share many of the same beliefs that you do (as far as what you think is wrong), but, I'm not ready to make as many things illegal.

[JMJ333]

I agree with you, but what has happened is that our culture has rejected most moral standards, and when that happens the government is too eager to step in and fill the void. Libertarians make the mistake of accusing me of wanting to make things illegal. On the contrary, I want people to reject the immoral guided by their own conscience. I'm a culture warrior. gcruse and others on this forum don't want me to criticize or make moral prnouncements to them in any capacity. They don't care about the detremental effects their behavior has on the rest of us, yet they're the first ones to sqwack when the government tightens down on laws as the result of their own lack of self control.