Border Death-Trap - Time to Tear Down America's Berlin Wall

Pacific News Service ^ | July 30, 2002 | Joseph Nevins

[El Gato]

One big difference is that the Berlin Wall was to keep the people in not out. Every sovereign nation, including Mexico, has the right to keep people out, none have the right to keep their own people, except convicted criminals, in.

[4America]

Whatya say we return the jobs to the US and tank NAFTA for the open borders sham that it is.

"Sounds Good To Me"

[DoughtyOne]

Would you be careless enought to abuse eleven and twelve year old children to break the law. This could have been accomplished earlier or later in the year couldn't it. Ding ding ding ding ding....

[El Gato]

Moreover, Washington has aggressively pushed the liberalization of foreign economies such as Mexico's, a process that has predictably intensified migratory pressures among those displaced in the name of economic efficiency.

Huh? Liberalizing foreign economies should bring them more jobs, not less. The fact that Mexico, and much of the of Latin America, does not a free economy is what causes the conditions that make their people want to come here. That and rampant corruption, which tends to go along with a non market economy, or one controlled by a very few. Conditions which are becoming all to familiar in our own country, come to think of it.

[DoughtyOne]

I would disagree with you in part. Mexico as a nation that states they want good relations with use should make every effort to ensure our laws are observed. Mexico has essentially become the agent of illegal immigration facilitating it with every available tool.

[justshe]

Huh?

I was responding to boonie rats comment:
...U.S. officials are not deliberately killing migrants..

Then why the hell not!

Are you some how suggesting that that I abuse 11 and 12 year old? I think I need an explanation.

[DoughtyOne]

Nope, you're right to make the comment you did. I appologize. I thought it was in reaction so to someone saying we were not responsible for the deaths. We do not advocate the inflicting of capital punishment against those who are unarmed. If these folks are unarmed they should only be detained and repatriated. Any suggestion otherwise is detrimental to our cause.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you for sticking with it and pointing out my error.


D1

[Slainte]

"Denying any responsibility for the deaths, U.S. officials' typical response..."

I think I just had an aneurysm.

No doubt about it. We are surrounded by complete and totally idiots.

So, if measures to keep illegals out on the macro level are bad and are what's responsible for these deaths, does the same apply at the micro level? If I lock all my doors, and a burgler tries to get in through a second story window, but instead falls and breaks his neck, am I responsible for the death because I locked my doors making it difficult for him to enter my home illegally...

[NorseWood]

Only in California

[gc4nra]

"We do not advocate the inflicting of capital punishment against those who are unarmed. If these
folks are unarmed they should only be detained and repatriated. Any suggestion otherwise is detrimental to our cause."

Aw! Just when I was about to suggest we have the next "BBQ and Shoot" on the border. (just kidding)

[Ajnin]

Interestingly enough I've had illegals tell me that the United States needs to send troops to conquer Mexico.

[WFTR]

This idiot's argument is no different than the argument that I shouldn't be allowed to own guns because I might shoot someone who decides to steal my property. America belongs to Americans and not to Mexicans. Mexicans are not the ones who pay the taxes. They will not be called upon to defend our country if we are attacked. While I don't fault those who want work, many are here to establish themselves and benefit from our entitlement programs. I'm real sorry that some employers can't get help as cheaply as they'd like. I agree that the government has driven the cost of American employees much higher than it should be. However, I have to live within the laws even when I don't like those laws. The illegals and those who hire them should have to live within the law as well. Our policies are not killing anyone. The decision to break our laws is what is killing people.

WFTR
Bill

[A CA Guy]

Build a bigger wall and grease that baby.

[LRS]

We had our chance in 1847, and should have kept it, IMO..

[Boonie Rat]

Would you, take gun in hand, and aim and fire at an 11 and 12 year old pair of sisters?

Thirty-seven years ago a six year-old walked up into the middle of a group of GIs in Vietnam, pulled up her shirt, pulled the pin on a grenade and killed herself and four GIs. I was there. That was war. This is war. We are being invaded by hostiles. Hostiles that care not iota about this country. Not the laws, not the culture, not the heritage. If they choose to ignore our immigration laws, they are criminals when they cross the border. I have no compassion for criminals, whether they be eleven or fifty. They are threatening me, my children, my grandchildren, and my counrtys future by their criminal activity. To answer your question, not if there were an adult target available.

Boonie Rat

MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '65-66

[Paulus Invictus]

This came home to me the other day when I read the local police reports of daily arrests made. Half were illegal Mexican criminals. Close the borders, deport the illegals and strongly invite the liberals like this idiot from Kalifornia along.

[TheDon]

post-doctoral researcher at the University of California, Berkeley

That explains it all.

[FITZ]

Interestingly enough I've had illegals tell me that the United States needs to send troops to conquer Mexico.

I'm beginning to think that's the only hope for these people. The elitist President Fox will get on his soapbox and wring his hands for the world to see him crying out against the US abusing his poor citizens and meanwhile the Mexican government does nothing to improve living conditions there ----which are absurd considering the wealth in that country.

[FITZ]

NAFTA for the open borders sham that it is.

NAFTA was a giant sham in many ways. It allowed the Mexican government to divert irrigation waters from the farms to the cities and maquilas worsening conditions for the farmers, now the maquilas in Mexico are closing and heading for China so we'll end up having to take care of millions of unemployed Mexican former maquila workers.