Study: Women, Men Equally Violent With Partners-When Only Partner Is Violent, It's Usually The Woman

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[chance33_98]

Study: Women, Men Equally Violent With Partners
When Only Partner Is Violent, It's Usually The Woman
Posted: 4:18 p.m. EDT July 30, 2002

DURHAM, N.H.-- A study by the University of New Hampshire of college students says women are as violent as men toward their partners. The Family Research Laboratory study suggests that when only one partner is violent, it is twice as likely to be the woman.

The survey questioned 1,446 students from: the Universidad Autonoma de Ciudad in Juarez, Mexico; University of Texas at El Paso; Texas Tech; and UNH.

Study author Murray Straus says the findings suggest that programs and policies aimed at preventing intimate partner violence by some women are crucial.

Straus was offering details Tuesday in Montreal at the 15th World Meeting of the International Society for Research on Aggression.

But the findings were disputed by the director of Portsmouth, N.H.-based Sexual Assault Support Services.

The executive director says her first take, after reading this, is that it seems like an oversimplified response to a complex problem.

[Violette]

My point Conagher, is that when men abuse they are very violent about it. Women are not as violent. Most of us are squeemish about it. Not all of us. I cannot hunt and I know many women who can't. But I know many men who can.

[Senator Pardek]

LOL - let's assume a man with no experience or education, who's married to a wealthy woman, and who has a good reason to believe the woman will take his kids, decides to ambush her and break her jaw.

One day in jail, right? LOL!

[meyer]

"Men are more aggressive then women. There are more male leaders in this world than women, because men are more aggressive."

I disagree. I've seen plenty of "agressive" women around. I think you're confusing size/strength, which men in general hold the advantage in, with agression.

You're also ignoring the many contributing factors that create leaders. Agression is sometimes present, but the best of leaders, ones that have willing followers, aren't agressive but instead are compassionate about their goals, are logical thinking, and are fair minded individuals. They possess, rather than agressive behavior, a tenacity, a stubborness,a a perseverance to acheive the goal that drives them to continue in the face of opposition.

Men drive the reproduction of the species; women prevent the world from over population by putting on the breaks.

I'm not exactly sure that this is true either. I've seen plenty of sexually agressive women that get pretty "foreward" out there. They can also play some nasty mind games on other women and men who reject them if they don't get their way. I realize that this is anecdotal evidence but I've seen it. I cannot deny it.

Men are far more interested in sports than women, men are physically competetive.

I'm not sure that the interest in sports is a characteristic of agression so much as it is one of gamesmanship. Its fun to compete. Most people like to compete. I sense a bit of competitiveness in this thread. ;^)

Lashing out with words is one thing; lashing out with physical aggression, that's another. There is no justification for using physical aggression with anyone unless in self-defense.

I agree.

Juries aren't as sympathetic as you seem to imply. They didn't feel sorry for Andrea Yates.

I disagree. The statistics speak for themselves. Andrea Yates makes for great anecdotal evidence, but it is an abberation.

[glasseye]

I have to thank you for reminding why I'll never marry.

The womyn's program at Cal Berlkey took from me a lovely woman who I loved more than life and returned to me a seathing venomous feminist.

I prefer pets and hobbies...:-)

[another cricket]

She has been indoctrinated. And truly believes what she is preaching. That the evidence does not support her claim does not matter. I doubt she has even bothered to research beyond what was taught her at the shelter. The fact that their teaching just might be a tiny bit biased has not sunk in yet.

a.cricket

[meyer]

She has been indoctrinated. And truly believes what she is preaching. That the evidence does not support her claim does not matter. I doubt she has even bothered to research beyond what was taught her at the shelter. The fact that their teaching just might be a tiny bit biased has not sunk in yet.

The problem with the shelter is that you are surrounded by a multitude of folks that come from two general directions: One is a group of women who have truly had a bad deal in life. They have been beaten, are downtrodden, and have met the bad side of life. The other group is one of the most proficient groups of liars this side of the Clintons. They are gaming the system solely for the purpose of scamming from the earners to redistribute to the takers. They use the downtrodden to further their cause.

OK, I have to admit, there's a third group that I will call the enablers. They are the ones that beleived what the liberal professors told them in college. They never sought to seek out facts on their own, instead relying on what they were told.

They are also the ones that tend to be most gullable. They are the unwiting accomplices to this whole scam. They beleive not what has been revealed by statistics, but by those in positions of "authority". They are the more dangerous for they forget to temper what their heart says with what their mind says. I think they mean very well, but just don't have the big picture. They won't digest the forest due to their preconceived trees.

[TomServo]

Women are not as violent. Most of us are squeemish about it. Not all of us. I cannot hunt and I know many women who can't. But I know many men who can.

What does hunting have to do with any of this? Are you saying hunters are more prone to domestic violence, or am I reading this wrong?

[meyer]

What does hunting have to do with any of this? Are you saying hunters are more prone to domestic violence, or am I reading this wrong?

I can't help but sense a lot of preconcieved notions about men. I'm guessing that we have a recent college graduate here. I really hope that she views the stats and reads Christine Hoff Sommers and a few others. I think the facts speak for themselves, but I sense that they haven't been presented fully.

[another cricket]

They are the more dangerous for they forget to temper what their heart says with what their mind says. I think they mean very well, but just don't have the big picture.

You know I am beginning to hate the phrase, "They mean well." Whoever it was that said "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" was right on.

I think that the biggest problems are feelings. Women are taught to revere their feelings and feelings become an excuse for everything. It hits hard in adolescence and from that point on many (not all by any means but many) women use it as an excuse for bad behavior.

Although men let us get away with bad behavor. Humans have a blind spot when it comes to the small and cute and women are small and cute and appeal to a guys protective instincts. We look up at you with big innocent eyes filled with tears and say in a small trembling voice, “It was his fault. He made me do it.” And you look at the guy who is big and not cute and helpless looking and appeals not at all your protective instincts and say, "There, there don’t you worry about anything.” We just got away with it.

a.cricket

[Paul Atreides]

While I certainly feel for you, and the bad situation that you endured, I am speaking of people who will see signs of such behavior, BEFORE marriage, and will go on to marry that person. For instance, if you were dating a man, who got mad at you and slapped you, wouldn't that be a warning signal that this is NOT a person to marry?

[Conagher]

"Lashing out with words is one thing; lashing out with physical aggression, that's another. There is no justification for using physical aggression with anyone unless in self-defense.

So, lashing out with words is okay? You assume that physical aggression occurs in a vacuum?

"Juries aren't as sympathetic as you seem to imply. They didn't feel sorry for Andrea Yates."

More anecdotal evidence that proves nothing.

[glory]

These characteristics are usually buried at the onset of the relationship and come out in gradual doses. People don't initally get involved with someone who is violent at the onset>>

I disagree. I think people, especially women, are in denial. They really like the guy and he can change. They see it, but choose to ignore little signs that things aren't right. I just don't believe there are that many pathological liars in the world that they can hide what they are all about until some distant moment in the future when they unleash thier fury. I think what this whole thing really speaks to is the need to get back to a courtship devoid from sexual intercourse. People seem to get sucked in and stay sucked in because they've gotten involved sexually. By that point, they feel there is too much of themselves on the line and also I think they are more easily manipulated.

For men, I think it's an embarrassment. Your post dismissing women's bad behavior only helps to feed the problem and validate for men that they should be ashamed and embarrassed. SHAME ON YOU!

[Conagher]

". . . when men abuse they are very violent about it. Women are not as violent."

That's right, when women abuse, they are less physically violent. Women use a way that happens to be legal. No less violent, no less scarring, no less humiliating, merely more legal.

[glory]

Robroy, I agree with that observation. I think it's the silent "bully" that's been ignored in schools imo. Boys are hounded on for physically agressive behavior and girls get away with emotional manipulation quietly on the sidelines.

[glory]

When I see a strange woman approach me, I don't run. When a strange man approaches me, all of my defense mechanisms rise and I start preparing myself to flee if necessary.
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Anyone else think this is really sad? Sounds like you still have a lot of psychological stuff to deal with. Sorry, that may hurt, but as a woman, I just don't feel this way when a strange man say asks me for directions. What puts my antenna up more is the manner of presentation. if someone approaches me in full gang style apparel whether male or female, I will get my guard up. If someone approaches with thier hands hidden, I will get wary. Your assertations deny the fact that women commit crimes everyday including luring other women as victims for men they know(there are stories out there). You really are leading a very fearful and sad existence. Not to offend, but that's just what it seems like to live in fear of one sex like that regardless of whether it's a grandpa asking which way to the mall entrance or a teenage boy with a Nirvana shirt. It's also not honest about the facts in life.

[glory]

but in the case of an unstable man dating a woman it almost always ends in violence because a man knows he can frighten a woman in order to manipulate her.

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Oh good grief. I was involved with a man who was unstable. Not violent, but unstable. it did not end in violence, but he did try to sabotage a new relationship. Big deal. What happened is I didn't entertain his phone calls or talk with him and egg him on. I did not engage him and give him any false hopes(even by talking to him negatively) I didn't give him any room to misunderstand what my intentions were(not to be with him anymore). Finally, he stopped calling and now he is married with children and I haven't heard from him in 8 years. Not every relationship with unstable people(and yes there are many, male and female) end up violent.

[Howlin]

Can you post here with a straight face and claim that women do not get lighter sentences when they commit the same violent crime as men do?

Today. Here in NC; female teacher had sex with a 13 year old boy. Six months. I was stunned.

[glory]

I am with you Senator--I nearly split my sides reading this. And don't male abusers say they have signifigant egging on to beat thier female companions? So in Violette's world it's ok if you have reason, so what's the problem here? Oh wait you say, in Violette's world it's ok to attempt to murder a person if you have a reason AND you are a woman. If you are a man, there is not excuse, EVER, to attempt to murder your wife. CLASSIC! Nothing to see here. Move along.

[alpowolf]

True enough. I think you could question whether any group of college students, however large, is a realistic cross-section of the country. That said I think men get too much of the rap for violence. Nowadays just being a man in this society means constantly having to prove my innocence to a skeptical jury.

[glory]

Let us contrast a couple of your posts shall we:


First this little jewel:

In the case that was presented where the woman ambushed her husband, there was a motive behind the crime. I'm not saying that she was right or wrong, but there was a clearly defined motive. She attacked him because she feared losing her children.

This is different from going off half cocked and showing violence for no apparent reason

VS this little jewel:

Lashing out with words is one thing; lashing out with physical aggression, that's another. There is no justification for using physical aggression with anyone unless in self-defense

Can you tell me in your first post where the self defense was that justified this woman's behavior? We both no the answer to that, there was no self defense involved, so can you explain your incredible inconsistencies when senseless violence is committed by women vs. men.

Regardless of your reply, I don't think there is much else to say. Your statements speak for themselves.