Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Anti-gravity propulsion comes ‘out of the closet’
Jane's Data Service ^ | 29 July 2002 | Nick Cook

Posted on 07/30/2002 8:22:27 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121-127 next last
To: Andrew Wiggin
It's interesting to note that while he did eventually win a Nobel Prize for one of these papers, it wasn't the one on Relativity but rather the one on photosynthesis.

Actually, it was the photoelectric effect. Truth be told, that was probably the more significant paper, it being one of the cornerstones of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics pervades modern technology; relativity does not.

41 posted on 07/30/2002 6:28:04 PM PDT by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

Comment #42 Removed by Moderator

Comment #43 Removed by Moderator

To: Confederate Keyester
Their kids also want the GI Joe with the kung-fu grip for christmass, do you think they might not fudge the results?

If there's any pressure to fudge, it's in the direction of more grandiose claims and spectacular results. (That was Pons' and Fleischmann's tragic flaw.) Antigravity would (conservatively) be worth trillions of dollars and several Nobel Prizes.

44 posted on 07/30/2002 6:41:03 PM PDT by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: LS

Already invented:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1689106.stm

45 posted on 07/30/2002 6:48:13 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Confederate Keyester
Do not some of the quantum theories predict just such a coupling of electro-magnetics and gravity?

No. There is no such theory, yet. The unification of gravity and quantum physics is the Holy Grail of physics. It's one of the largest single points of effort in modern physics. There are a couple of approaches being pursued, and it is hoped that one of them someday will bear fruit, but we aren't there, yet.

In any case, don't expect practical applications (such as antigravity) from it, once they find it. The energy scale for such a unification is gigantic (unless there are large extra dimensions we can't see, in which case it is merely huge), a fact called the "hierarchy problem". The interaction scale would be some 27 orders of magnitude greater than the typical scale of chemical interactions, a condition that could only have existed in nature in the first ten millionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second of the Big Bang.

46 posted on 07/30/2002 6:55:01 PM PDT by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

Comment #47 Removed by Moderator

Comment #48 Removed by Moderator

To: Confederate Keyester
That is somewhat disingenuos, if it is worth trillions it stands to reason that there are intrenched powers that stand to lose (trillions$) Not to mention the trillions of dollars on loan to countries whose only way to pay is based on future oil and gas revenues.

Chump change. The economy of the world isn't a tick on the backside of what antigravity would mean. With antigravity we could rearrange the solar system however we wanted. Saying that the oil industry can suppress an antigravity device is like saying that an apprentice buggy-whip maker could have prevented the invention of the internal combustion engine. (Not that the oil industry would mind an antigravity device; these things are supposed to consume energy.)

A much more credible and likely conspiracy scenario would be that a mega-corporation would take Podkletnov's device and claim it for their own, just as RCA nabbed Farnsworth's invention of TV. The fact that this hasn't happened could more reasonably be counted as evidence that no such device exists, than evidence of the suppression of same.

49 posted on 07/30/2002 8:21:15 PM PDT by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Confederate Keyester
Townsend Browns original patent is now online.

So then anybody can make one. Hold your breath; it should happen any day now. Homebrew spindizzy clubs should be springing up everywhere.

50 posted on 07/30/2002 8:26:01 PM PDT by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Fitzcarraldo
It is a proven and well known fact that Bumble Bee's can not fly.
51 posted on 07/30/2002 8:32:51 PM PDT by carpio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: carpio
And the Maharishi Yogi says........ "HUMmmmmm......"

(or was it, "OMmmm...........")

52 posted on 07/30/2002 8:45:23 PM PDT by Elsie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Physicist
My how naive you are. Let me tell you a story about what happened to my father's former boss. His name is John. He used to live in upper south central Illinois, around Springfield I believe. At any rate, oil was discovered on his property. He had both property and mineral rights. A big oil company asked him to sell. He refused.

One day he left for the weekend. When he came back, one of his utility buildings had burned. The oil company called him again, told him they'd heard about the burnt building, asked again if he was sure he didn't want to sell. Again he said no.

Not long after, he left for a day trip, business this time. Came back that night, his barn with all his pigs had been burnt to the ground. Oil company called again, asked if he was SURE he didn't want to sell.

This time he said yes.

Illinois isn't exactly the oil producing bastion of the world. If they would do that for that one little find, what lengths would the go to to stop something like this.

When trillions are on the line, I guarantee you people will kill to keep the status quo.

53 posted on 07/30/2002 10:09:48 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Physicist
You're right of course. Not only did I say photosynthesis, I said it twice.
54 posted on 07/31/2002 12:24:49 AM PDT by Andrew Wiggin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Fitzcarraldo
I would like an anti-gravity belt.
Or boots.
55 posted on 07/31/2002 12:40:31 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Free Vulcan
You went to Berkeley, didn't you?
56 posted on 07/31/2002 2:37:45 AM PDT by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: Physicist
> With antigravity we could rearrange the solar system however we wanted.

Let's admit for a while that the theory behind this is concrete, and our tech level is enough to manage "antigravity beams". (I doubt this badly). Since old Einstein's and , tracing back ,Maxwell's, Poyinting's and other's equations are far from being put in the trashcan, my question is: where are you going to take the energy from? Hope you don't tell me you are going to extract it from other's gravitational fields, since it would be a true bull**it: all the antigravity programs are solidly founded in cool traditional electromagnetism physics (and it couldn't be differently, since this is the strongest theoric heritage we have). I'm an engineer,you have to explain me how to produce and transport the GW's of electricity necessary to let this stuff eventually work.

57 posted on 07/31/2002 3:02:12 AM PDT by Jordi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Richard Kimball
You kill moose and squirrel.

Not Bullwinkle!

58 posted on 07/31/2002 3:12:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Jordi
I'm an engineer,you have to explain me how to produce and transport the GW's of electricity necessary to let this stuff eventually work.

Thinking about it further, you actually could get free energy out of such a device. Perhaps the oil companies are right to suppress it. <snort>

If it's actually reducing the weight of what's above it, you could lift objects in the reduced gravitational field, turn the thing off, and let them fall again. The energy it takes to lift the thing is less than the energy released by dropping it. The device itself takes energy to operate, but that energy (according to the claims) is not dependent on distance, or on the mass of the object being supported. (Think about it: if it were mass-dependent, none of the applications they propose for the device about would work.) Therefore, if you aren't getting enough free energy to run the device, all you have to do is lift a heavier object higher.

So the heavier the object, the more pronounced is the effect. Jupiter is heavy. Point such a beam at Jupiter and you can change its orbit. Its attraction to the sun is reduced, but its momentum remains the same, so it will swing outwards.

The number one law standing in the way of antigravity is TANSTAAFL.

59 posted on 07/31/2002 3:29:25 AM PDT by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: Physicist
That's the problem. My strictly concrete mindset can't imagine any source of energy that doesn't come from the destruction of mass or the conversion of a different form of energy. Perhaps the experiments are referring to some 'intrinsec' potential energy, meaning that antigravity is somehow latent within matter and/or energy. I mean , we all know gravity is a one-way (attractive) force. If there's a sort of potential 'repulsive' gravity (like the 'dark force' of wich the universe seem permeated), go on, but in this case the latest 200+ years of development in electromagnetism, nuclear and sub-nuclear physics can't help you. We need a new Einstein to develop a fitting theory before.
60 posted on 07/31/2002 4:57:19 AM PDT by Jordi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121-127 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson