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Boeing tries to defy gravity
BBC News - Science and Technology ^ | Monday, 29 July, 2002, 03:23 GMT 04:23 UK | Editorial Staff

Posted on 07/29/2002 2:30:12 PM PDT by vannrox

Monday, 29 July, 2002, 03:23 GMT 04:23 UK

Boeing tries to defy gravity




An anti-gravity device would revolutionise air travel



Researchers at the world's largest aircraft maker, Boeing, are using the work of a controversial Russian scientist to try to create a device that will defy gravity.

The company is examining an experiment by Yevgeny Podkletnov, who claims to have developed a device which can shield objects from the Earth's pull.



Dr Podkletnov is viewed with suspicion by many conventional scientists. They have not been able to reproduce his results.

The project is being run by the top-secret Phantom Works in Seattle, the part of the company which handles Boeing's most sensitive programmes.

The head of the Phantom Works, George Muellner, told the security analysis journal Jane's Defence Weekly that the science appeared to be valid and plausible.

Dr Podkletnov claims to have countered the effects of gravity in an experiment at the Tampere University of Technology in Finland in 1992.

The scientist says he found that objects above a superconducting ceramic disc rotating over powerful electromagnets lost weight.

The reduction in gravity was small, about 2%, but the implications - for example, in terms of cutting the energy needed for a plane to fly - were immense.

Scientists who investigated Dr Podkletnov's work, however, said the experiment was fundamentally flawed and that negating gravity was impossible.

Research explored



But documents obtained by Jane's Defence Weekly and seen by the BBC show that Boeing is taking Dr Podkletnov's research seriously.

The hypothesis is being tested in a programme codenamed Project Grasp.

Boeing is the latest in a series of high-profile institutions trying to replicate Dr Podkletnov's experiment.

The military wing of the UK hi-tech group BAE Systems is working on an anti-gravity programme, dubbed Project Greenglow.

The US space agency, Nasa, is also attempting to reproduce Dr Podkletnov's findings, but a preliminary report indicates the effect does not exist.



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KEYWORDS: air; boeing; crevolist; discovery; engine; ftl; gravity; light; nasa; new; podkletnov; science; space; speed; travel
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To: onedoug
No, this is a different phenomenon. It doesn't involve levitation of a magnet. Supposedly, it creates a column extending above the device where you can put something and it weighs less. Some info here: http://www.inetarena.com/~noetic/pls/gravity.html#podkletnov
41 posted on 07/29/2002 4:11:54 PM PDT by sigSEGV
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To: El Gato
Zero times infinity can be pretty much anything.

Anything times zero is zero.

42 posted on 07/29/2002 4:13:43 PM PDT by Junior
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To: Future Snake Eater
When you turn on a lamp, are you instantly crushed? No. Therefore, I think the proper theoretical assumption is that photons have zero mass.

but you'd be wrong. They have mass, but only when they are moving! This has been demonstrated by observing the bending of light from stars as it passes nearby the sun. Also by "gravitational lensing" of light from a distant galaxcy passing by a nearer object, usually another galaxcy.

Another brainteaser: What kind of mass would a particle travelling faster than light have? For bonus points, what is the name of this theoretical particle?

Imaginary mass. (Square root of a a negative number). Such particles are called Tachyons, as opposed to normal particles, not includign photons, which are Tardyons.

43 posted on 07/29/2002 4:14:03 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: yendu bwam
This guy thinks he knows.

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/?9505094
44 posted on 07/29/2002 4:15:56 PM PDT by sigSEGV
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To: sigSEGV
Hey thanks. I'll be taking a look at it!

Y.B.
45 posted on 07/29/2002 4:19:01 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: El Gato
They have mass, but only when they are moving!

When does light not move? I'm assuming you're talking about in a lab...Besides, if a particle has mass, then how can it reach c?

46 posted on 07/29/2002 4:21:39 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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To: sigSEGV
Interesting, though dubious. Gravity couples to mass, where weight is realtive to the field. I still suspect electromagnetism...or, the electro-weak force, if you will.

Thanks for that link.

47 posted on 07/29/2002 4:27:17 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Orangedog
The ether doesn't exist per the Michael-Michelob experiments in late 1800's. Then Einstein discovered that even though it [the ether] doesn't exist, it can get distorted like a satin sheet because of slipperiness. parsy.
48 posted on 07/29/2002 4:27:43 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: vannrox
UFO debunked as Government airship using electromagnetic force as propulsion. Interesting read.
http://198.63.56.18/pdf/illinois_trianglehypothesis.pdf

American Antigravity website.
I so wish I was back in college and could use this for a senior design project.
http://tventura.hypermart.net/technology.html



49 posted on 07/29/2002 4:29:30 PM PDT by Chewbacca
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To: Future Snake Eater
Besides, if a particle has mass, then how can it reach c

I suppose since it has zero rest mass, it's instantly accellerated to "c" when it's created. i.e a=F/m, if m is zero then a (accelleration) would be infinite.

Remember at high speeds and small scales, the world doesn't work the same way as it does at everyday speeds and scales, so F=ma is only a low speed approximation anyway.

50 posted on 07/29/2002 4:29:46 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: stlrocket
What impact is that thing going to have on the environment?
51 posted on 07/29/2002 4:30:59 PM PDT by TheLooseThread
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Nothing to see here folks, go back into your caves.
52 posted on 07/29/2002 4:31:36 PM PDT by Justa
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To: vannrox
time for ego driven belief system defense mode....mid to low levels sound off
53 posted on 07/29/2002 4:33:51 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: El Gato
Remember at high speeds and small scales, the world doesn't work the same way as it does at everyday speeds and scales, so F=ma is only a low speed approximation anyway.

Good point. Have you ever heard of a book called "The God Particle"? It's written by some Nobel Prize winning physicist, and he gives you a crash course on particle physics and the different particles that modern physicists work with (both in theory and practice). I learned some wild stuff in that one (gluons, anyone?). You should check it out if you like particle physics.

54 posted on 07/29/2002 4:36:42 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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To: LibWhacker
Voodoo physics.

Don't be too sure. People once said the same thing about perpetual motion machines.

55 posted on 07/29/2002 4:39:50 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Chewbacca
http://www.amasci.com/caps/capwarp.html

Electric Rocket engine.
No moving parts.
Would make a great boat engine.
56 posted on 07/29/2002 4:40:26 PM PDT by Chewbacca
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
Anti-gravity ping.
57 posted on 07/29/2002 4:40:52 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: parsifal
The ether doesn't exist per the Michael-Michelob experiments in late 1800's.

Actually, the experiment did not disprove the existence of the æther -- rather it merely rendered the necessity for the substance moot.

58 posted on 07/29/2002 4:41:25 PM PDT by Junior
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To: vannrox
If Boeing is sucessful, the primary beneficiary will be Red China !
59 posted on 07/29/2002 4:45:45 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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