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Britons left in jail amid fears that Saudi Arabia could fall to al-Qaeda
The Guardian ^ | Sunday July 28, 2002 | Martin Bright, Nick Pelham and Paul Harris

Posted on 07/27/2002 10:11:04 PM PDT by prophetic

Britons left in jail amid fears that Saudi Arabia could fall to al-Qaeda

Martin Bright, Nick Pelham and Paul Harris Sunday July 28, 2002 The Observer

Saudi Arabia is teetering on the brink of collapse, fuelling Foreign Office fears of an extremist takeover of one of the West's key allies in the war on terror.

Anti-government demonstrations have swept the desert kingdom in the past months in protest at the pro-American stance of the de facto ruler, Prince Abdullah.

At the same time, Whitehall officials are concerned that Abdullah could face a palace coup from elements within the royal family sympathetic to al-Qaeda.

Saudi sources said the Pentagon had recently sponsored a secret conference to look at options if the royal family fell.

Demonstrations across the kingdom broke out in March, triggered by a fire in a girls' school in which 14 pupils died after the religious police stopped them escaping.

Unrest in the east of the country rapidly escalated into nationwide protests against the royal family that were brutally suppressed by the police. The Observer has obtained secret video footage of the protests smuggled out of the country last week that shows hundreds of Saudis, including women, demonstrating in support of the Palestinians and opposition to the regime.

The Foreign Office believes that the failure of Abdullah's recent Middle East peace plan could have terminally undermined his position.

The Crown Prince's main rival, Prince Sultan, the Defence Minister, has been vocal in his opposition to Abdullah's pro- Western policy. His brother Prince Naif, head of the Interior Ministry, has led a crackdown on the Saudi media in the wake of the demonstrations to stop any word of them leaking out.

Abdullah has even sent his own representative to Washington to counter the influence of the ambassador, Prince Bandar, a son of Prince Sultan.

Anti-Abdullah elements within the Saudi government are also thought to have colluded in a wave of bomb attacks on Western targets by Islamic terrorists.

The authorities have blamed the attacks on an alleged 'turf war' between Westerners involved in the bootleg alcohol trade and have jailed five Britons, a Canadian and a Belgian for the bombings. But British intelligence sources have confirmed that the attacks were carried out by Islamists linked to al-Qaeda.

Earlier this year, the accused men were handed sentences ranging from execution to long prison terms. But lawyers acting for the Britons have told The Observer that they could soon be free.

The tensions between the royal factions will intensify with the death of King Fahd. The condition of the king, in hospital in Switzerland, is 'unstable', doctors said.

British-based Saudi dissident Dr Saad al-Fagih said: 'There is now an undeclared war between the factions in the Saudi royal family.'


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; foreignaffairs; saudiarabia; terrorism; waronterror
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To: justa-hairyape
Again you gungho types realize only your rights and not the individual rights you so much crave to have here in your own in country. As usual like much of America you are selfish and/or afraid of someone that is different then you are. The world is not black and white. Simply put, just because SA's regime falls does not put them in the same boat as Iraq which has repeatedly shown it's hostility towards others in the region.. the US.. and is known to be trying to get the bomb so that they can run all over the middle east(thinking or at least hoping) that will deter us enough from intervening on Kuwait, Saudi Arabia or any other countries behalf.
81 posted on 07/29/2002 2:35:25 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: elfman2
I suppose you think the SA gov't would make it obvious to formally be an enemy of the United States.. that's pretty funny considering we have a perfect example in Iran... politics is all about appearances.. Of course Iran comes out and says in statements that it doesn't support terror which is a joke because everyone knows they do. But nobody starts a war with them because it's all about appearances on the front stage.. now behind the scenes is another story that has some role in containing/instigating aggression depending on how it plays out.. but you don't see WWIII happening because of Iran now do ya?
82 posted on 07/29/2002 2:41:44 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: elfman2
I suppose you think the SA gov't would make it obvious to formally be an enemy of the United States.. that's pretty funny considering we have a perfect example in Iran... politics is all about appearances.. Of course Iran comes out and says in statements that it doesn't support terror which is a joke because everyone knows they do. But nobody starts a war with them because it's all about appearances on the front stage.. now behind the scenes is another story that has some role in containing/instigating aggression depending on how it plays out.. but you don't see WWIII happening because of Iran now do ya?
83 posted on 07/29/2002 2:42:09 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: elfman2
I suppose you think the SA gov't would make it obvious to formally be an enemy of the United States.. that's pretty funny considering we have a perfect example in Iran... politics is all about appearances.. Of course Iran comes out and says in statements that it doesn't support terror which is a joke because everyone knows they do. But nobody starts a war with them because it's all about appearances on the front stage.. now behind the scenes is another story that has some role in containing/instigating aggression depending on how it plays out.. but you don't see WWIII happening because of Iran now do ya?
84 posted on 07/29/2002 2:42:14 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: SkyPilot; elfman2
That's the Shah of Iran, not the "Shaw".
85 posted on 07/29/2002 3:07:53 PM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Almondjoy
" but you don't see WWIII happening because of Iran now do ya?"

Iran's probably number two on Bush's list, assuming that an al-Queda controlled SA doesn't push it back a spot. Once Iraq's taken, there's a good chance its government will fall without direct military intervention on our part.

86 posted on 07/29/2002 6:28:33 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
"That's the Shah of Iran, not the "Shaw"."

Lol! Thanks!

87 posted on 07/29/2002 6:30:15 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
That totally avoids my question to you but thanks for trying anyways! This isn't a game of dominios.. we aren't going to invade Iran without damn good reason.. and killing a few hundred Israeli's a year isn't going to cut it.. now a nation trying to develop nukes to hold the world hostage.. now that's a different story.
88 posted on 07/30/2002 2:34:19 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy
" That totally avoids my question to you but thanks for trying anyways! "

The answer was obvious, not avoided, but you don't want to see it. Thanks for trying anyway.

The SA government's balancing between the radical Islam of its people and and civilization. With SA's strategic position in the world's economy, this administration would find an excuse to remove an al-Queda based government, with or without a smiling face.

My last post was an attempt to get you to recognize that the example that you used of smiling evil, Iran, is in fact on our target list, and if we had a base there today, we wouldn't be leaving no mater what. But you have your mind made up.

89 posted on 07/30/2002 4:15:22 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: Almondjoy
As usual like much of America you are selfish and/or afraid of someone that is different then you are.

Terrorists have committed an act of war against America. They killed 3,000 people on American soil. This same network of terrorists is responsible for raising and developing suicide bombers to attack the Nation of Israel. If they are on the verge of controlling Saudi Arabia via revolution or force, they will be vaporized. This is not cowboys and indians we are playing here anymore. The primary responsibility of the US goverment is to protect its people from foriegn attack. It is not to observe or protect the rights of murdering suicidal terrorists and those aligned with them.

90 posted on 08/01/2002 11:49:52 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
I don't think you guys understand what you are talking about.... what you think Al-Qaeda is going to go into the Palaces gun blazing and hijack the gov't? The gov't could already be very much aligned with Al-Qaeda(as many have already suggested). If that's the case why don't we just blow up SA now? Of course because you people see everything in black and white.. simplicty makes things easier on your mind doesn't it?
91 posted on 08/02/2002 2:23:51 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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