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1 posted on 07/27/2002 8:06:59 AM PDT by sinkspur
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Why does anyone have to know about a gay priest's homosexuality at all? If he's supposed to not have sex with anyone, who needs to know? Who cares?
2 posted on 07/27/2002 8:08:22 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: sinkspur
>>"This may be a question of late adolescent behavior ... as much as fixed gender orientation"<<

This formulation is quite widespread in defense of the proposition that gay priests per se are OK, but that "immaturity" is the problem.

What's wrong with this is that same-sex attraction and sodomy are specifically not a common "late adolescent behavior".

The Church (yes, that Church) teaches that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and that homosexuals should not be priests.

Right or wrong, the RCC has the right to believe this, and to teach it.

Why so many gays have a longing to be priests of an organization that teaches this is, I confess, somewhat of a mystery to me.

3 posted on 07/27/2002 8:14:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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>>"The church could not function without gay priests."<<

Again, the Church teaches that gay men and women are disordered. Right or wrong, they should not have disordered men as priests.

If it is true that the Church could not function without gay priests, perhaps the formulation that they are disordered is incorrect.

Or, alternatively, it is not true that the Church could not eliminate gay priests and continue to thrive.

These two possibilities may be mutually exclusive.

4 posted on 07/27/2002 8:18:12 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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""The abuse is not coming from out priests," he said. "It's coming from tightly closeted priests who won't be targeted."

This is simply the classic liberal double talk. Give us our way and things will be better.

Let all the priests "come-OUT", you know let everyone know they are "flaming gays" and everything will be OK, then. The priests will parade around in leathers and look like the Village People and then you can trust you children with them.

They want the children because without them there won't be another generation of GAY PRIESTS!!!

6 posted on 07/27/2002 8:26:55 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe
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"The abuse is not coming from out priests," he said. "It's coming from tightly closeted priests who won't be targeted.

This makes no sense at all. The only "out" priests we know of are the ones who did the abusing. And we didn't know they were homosexual until they were "outed" by the victims. What other "out" priests is he talking about?

15 posted on 07/27/2002 9:00:33 AM PDT by american colleen
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The church could not function without gay priests."

Really?

Perhaps due to the current % actively in Holy Orders--but should Bishops actually implement the 1961 document, that will change.

As to currently-serving homosexuals: if they "act out," TOSS 'EM!

20 posted on 07/27/2002 9:29:07 AM PDT by ninenot
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"The fact that the bishops are unwilling to discuss the homosexual issue is an indictment against them."

Bullseye! Methinks many of the bishops don't want the spotlight of scrutiny to shine too brightly upon themselves. There are more Weaklands amongst the episcopacy.

Like many of his peers, Dallas Coadjutor Bishop Joseph Galante concludes that the sexual orientation of a priest or seminarian is irrelevant; they should have "psycho-sexual maturity" and be spiritually and socially healthy.

Orientation certainly was irrelevant in the cases of Kos, Geoghan, Shanley, et al wasn't it Joseph. Galante should change his name to P.T. Barnum and continue dodging the spotlight. He's just another cafeteria cleric. The message he sends the laity by ignoring Vatican decree is that they too can pick and choose. People like him are dangerous to the faith.

21 posted on 07/27/2002 9:31:56 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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"I think that has to happen, keeping homosexuals out of the seminaries and priesthood," said the Rev. Charles Dahlby

Gays are attracted to the priesthood because it guarentees ACCESS...just like gays want to be Boy Scout Leaders. I maintain a constitutional right to be DISGUSTED by adult gays who target kids and teens. The media is WAY OFF base to call them "pedophile" priests. More accurately in MOST cases, they are GAY-Pedophile priests....but the pro-gay folks don't want anyone to connect the dots between "GAY and Pedophile".

24 posted on 07/27/2002 9:51:05 AM PDT by two23
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I am married, heterosexual, and monogamous. If I were a widow, I would be chaste. Whose business is it?

As long as the priest is not engaging in sexual relations (as any of his unmarried parishioners would be forbidden to do), why do we care about his sexual orientation? This priest should not fear anything, unless he is misbehaving.

27 posted on 07/27/2002 10:26:12 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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Define basic terms here:

Homosexuality = predispostion

Gay = lifestyle

The article & others like it (conveniently) equates the two terms, so that:

Homosexual = Gay

and, successfully confuses the underlying issue - can a priest live a gay lifestyle.

The Roman Catholic Church has decided that a gay lifestyle is an inappropriate & unacceptable lifestyle for a Roman Catholic Priest.

28 posted on 07/27/2002 10:37:37 AM PDT by AncientAirs
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A church which recognizes homosexual/pedophile priests is not a church under God.

The very concept is diametrically opposed to God's law and Natural law, whichever holds value for you.

There are no gay priests, period. If they are actively engaged in activity which would define them as such, then they are not actively representing any interests in the name of God. When any church makes a point to recongize them they have effectively openly declared they are not a church that serves God, but instead serve the enemy.

30 posted on 07/27/2002 10:50:08 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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The unidentified priest wasn't disciplined because he said nothing untoward;
the other pastor stepped down because of sexually suggestive remarks
about Hispanic men in an old e-mail
.

To some, the priests' sin was – and is – being gay.


Whoever "some" is/are, then they must have trouble with the English language.
If this is about the website frequented by Texas priests that got publicity a few
months ago, it was VERY clear what one priest was after.

His comments on the website (presuming he was the one who typed them) couldn't have
been interpreted as anything other than a gay adult male hunting for adolescent
Hispanic teen males for sexual gratification.

That priest may have not been a pedophile, but an ephebophile. But at the same time
he was bent on violating the injunctions against homosexual activity (a moral injunction)
and having intimate relations with an person under age 18 (a statutory violation).

I don't care if they are gay, straight, or bi-sexual...when anybody goes
shopping for youngsters...they should get the smackdown, but good.

And "homophobia" should be the the least of their worries. Trying to survive too
many "prom dates" while in prison should be a greater concern for them.
31 posted on 07/27/2002 11:06:05 AM PDT by VOA
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With the scandal exploding in unexpected directions,

What a telling remark.It infers that there was an "expected" direction that this "scandal"would take and that it was not a demand for a critical review of the suitabiity of homosexuals for,or,in the priesthood.

32 posted on 07/27/2002 11:27:50 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: sinkspur; scripter; *Homosexual Agenda
BTTT
33 posted on 07/27/2002 11:30:39 AM PDT by EdReform
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This is nothing more than another person trying to sway America more to the left and toward Soddom.Like one of you said if he does not pratice sex for all intents and purpose he is not gay.Just another part of the gay movement and agenda tp promote the homosexual cause and in the end they will lose not only because of moral or spiritual issues but form the health standpoint and a lot of innocent children and adults will pay for it also.
42 posted on 07/27/2002 12:47:21 PM PDT by gunnedah
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I knew it was coming. There will be more nonsense like this coming up. The presstitutes want to wound the Church but spare the perverts, thus wound the Church of Christ even more.

If you don’t want to have a “pedophilia” problem, then don’t ordain pedophiles!

46 posted on 07/27/2002 1:24:09 PM PDT by heyheyhey
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"I think that has to happen, keeping homosexuals out of the seminaries and priesthood," said the Rev. Charles Dahlby, a priest in rural Illinois. "The church is desperately trying to avoid looking at that.

It (the Church) certainly is. As if this doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality.

50 posted on 07/27/2002 1:40:51 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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"The fact that the bishops are unwilling to discuss the homosexual issue is an indictment against them."

It certainly is. It's like when a house burns down and we're not allowed to discuss combustion.

52 posted on 07/27/2002 2:06:55 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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"The church is in a very funny position because its teaching says that homosexuality is so immoral, and the church has so many gay priests. The church could not function without gay priests."

We would not have had this horrific scandal, involving the spiritual and physical rape of thousands of teenage boys, without gay priests. The Church would be far better off NOW, if it weren't overrun with homosexuals.

53 posted on 07/27/2002 2:08:52 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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Gay Priest is a neo-redundancy.
81 posted on 07/27/2002 6:50:09 PM PDT by Old Professer
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