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Imagine there's no atheist.
rockey mountian Rattlesnake press ^ | 24/jul/02 | Darren Morrison

Posted on 07/24/2002 9:24:25 PM PDT by RMrattlesnake

Imagine there's no atheist.

By Darren Morrison

The Ex-Beatle John Lennon wrote a song called Imagine. This song became a hymn for GOD haters everywhere. Marxists use this song as their battle cry and this very song is living proof that John Lennon was an anti-freedom communist. On December of 2000 Fidel Castro attended the unveiling of a bronze statue of John Lennon sitting on a bench in a park of the city. The statue has been made by Cuban sculptor Josè Villa Soberon, and represents a long haired John in blue jeans. From the sixties The Beatles have been banished from Cuba because they were considered a bourgeois myth, but now Fidel declares "I share John Lennon's dreams".

So let’s take apart this blasphemous song Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today. What he is saying here is that without a belief in GOD we will have peace and people will just live in harmony. Well Chairman Mao said the same thing, So was the Tienamen square massacre people living for today? Pol Pot believed in a world that was free of religion so he murdered 30% of the people he was trying to make a better world for.

Verse two says Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace. In other words he is saying no sovereignty, no freedom, prisoners forced to work in slave labor camps but there will be peace.

Verse three says You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one No he was not the only dreamer there was Pol Pot, Castro, Mao, Stalin, V.I. Lenin and other evil communists. The world will be as one when Jesus returns.

Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world. If it smells like communism and sounds like communism then it must be communism. Just like the former Soviet Union, That was those words in action. Private property is a human right, to take it away is to take away freedom and all human rights. No need for Hunger but long lines for some soup and stale bread. You see John knew as other rich supporters of communism that they are not included because they are the elite. John supported Communism, he knew that he would live in luxury while others barely existed in bleak conditions. Redistribution of wealth is a myth. It is in reality redistribution of poverty, or equal misery for the masses.

Now to end his song he sings. You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one John is a dreamer and in fact he is not the only one. Conservative estimates are that “DREAMER COMRADE STALIN” caused the deaths of at least fifty million people during his rule. Making dreamer Stalin the Greatest mass murderer of all time. Heck this Dreamer makes Hitler look like a boy scout. I will never Join you John in fact I have taken up arms to fight your kind. Though I am discharged honorably from the military, I will still fight to protect freedom. I took an oath when I joined to up hold and defend the constitution of the United States of American and I will honor that oath till I die. The world will be divided until the end the only once who will try to unite the word will be tyrants.

Well John Lennon’s wisdom came from his years of drug use and sick GOD hating friends he hung out with. John Lennon was a dreamer but he was not interested in Pease. His song was short and very misleading. He implies that big brother will bring about peace. But what big brother will really do is bring destruction and death. What his song really is, is the rally cry for a totalitarian system were religious expression will get you killed as in the Khmer Rouge.

Proverbs 16:25. There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.. I Believe that the Bible is the only answer. That all other beliefs end in death.

Many atheists believe that without religion there would be world peace. Funny though I will say many people die at the hands of religion. In this century atheists led religious people in killing people. The most deadly thing in the world is movement. Government has claimed more lives than all the belief systems combined. That is one reason I am pro separation and pro religious freedom, When religion mixes with government it is a deadly mix. When Government tries to push out religions like Marxists do the streets run with blood. I am not saying that atheists are killers, but atheism just like religion can be deadly. Make no mistake September Eleventh was about state sponsored religion. Jesus did not come to start a religion, he came to bring us salvation. Mankind started the religion long after he left.


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: athiest; johnlennon
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To: A. Pole
Most of so called atheists are people who have some grudge toward God.

To which "God" (out of the thousands worshipped or otherwise acknowledged throughout human history) do you refer?
41 posted on 07/25/2002 5:45:41 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: weegee
O'Hair wasn't instrumental in removing prayer from public schools. That happened in an earlier case filed by a group mixed with believers/nonbelievers:

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/blfaq_cs_myth_ohair.htm
42 posted on 07/25/2002 5:45:52 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
BTW, I don't think MMO's case removed "school prayer"; I think it was a court case against biblical passages read in public school classrooms. She's often credited (or accused) of "removing school prayer", but I think that happened in an earlier case. I'll check on that and post again.

Check on Engle v. Vitale

IIRC the main plaintiff was a Lutherian father and the district was in NYC. I might be thinking of a different case, though.
43 posted on 07/25/2002 5:48:04 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Tired of Taxes
The site mentions the first USSC cases regarding religion in public schools, but I'm surprised that it doesn't mention earlier cases in state supreme courts that had similar effect -- which happened in the mid to late 1800s.
44 posted on 07/25/2002 5:50:57 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
You're right, it was Englel v. Vitale:

http://atheism.about.com/library/decisions/religion/bl_l_EngelVitale.htm

I never heard about the earlier cases, though. I'm still learning about it all myself.
45 posted on 07/25/2002 5:53:19 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Lord_Baltar
Libratains are born under the sign of the scales.

"Libra is the only inanimate sign of the zodiac, all the others representing either humans or animals. Many modern astrologers regard it as the most desirable of zodiacal types because it represents the zenith of the year, the high point of the seasons, when the harvest of all the hard work of the spring is reaped. There is a mellowness and sense of relaxation in the air as mankind enjoys the last of the summer sun and the fruits of his toil. Librans too are among the most civilized of the twelve zodiacal characters and are often good looking. They have elegance, charm and good taste, are naturally kind, very gentle, and lovers of beauty, harmony (both in music and social living) and the pleasures that these bring."

46 posted on 07/25/2002 6:00:35 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Dimensio
Most of so called atheists are people who have some grudge toward God.

To which "God" (out of the thousands worshipped or otherwise acknowledged throughout human history) do you refer?

This is the question I usually address to the atheists I meet. And I found that in most cases they tend to follow the religion they grew up in. So there are atheists of Roman Catholic denomination or of Luthern denomination or Jewish denomination etc ...

But when I question them deeper, in almost every case some grudge and hostility toward God pops out.

The purely intellectual atheism is rare. Maybe because it is intellectually unsound. See how many of the leading philosophers were atheists. Basically you can find only three - Marx, Nietzsche and Sartre.

Marx developed his theory by inverting the Hegelian theocentric pantheism and divinizing the conscious matter (to be fulfilled in the future mankind). This trick leaves a lot of questions and is less consistent than the original system.

Nietzsche is more like an atheists with a grudge. But I would live it open.

Sartre is less prominent (some think that his philosophy was based on misunderstaning of Heidegger). Anyway in the end of his life he repented and confessed faith in God.

So who is left? Usually some confused poor souls did not think the matter to the end and who think that Carl Sagan or Stephen Hawking are the greatest minds ever.

47 posted on 07/25/2002 6:02:10 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
But when I question them deeper, in almost every case some grudge and hostility toward God pops out.

How would you classify this hostility? I have heard of atheists who consider the God worshipped by Christians or Jews or Muslims to be a monster, but they consider it no more of a "real" monster than they would Cthulu -- it's just that no one believes that Cthulu is real (of course, he'll show them all. Muhahahahaha!)

The purely intellectual atheism is rare. Maybe because it is intellectually unsound.

Why is that?
48 posted on 07/25/2002 6:05:20 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
it's just that no one believes that Cthulu is real (of course, he'll show them all. Muhahahahaha!)

SAY IT'S NOT SO! HE IS real! He revealed himself to me last night in the form of dinner!

49 posted on 07/25/2002 6:11:46 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: Dimensio
"in almost every case some grudge and hostility toward God pops out"

How would you classify this hostility? [...]it's just that no one believes that Cthulu is real (of course, he'll show them all. Muhahahahaha!)

Pop, pop, pop, muhahahahaha. Here you go.

The purely intellectual atheism is rare. Maybe because it is intellectually unsound.

Why is that?

A good question. Why we cannot find a first rate atheist thinker who would be more reliable than Marx, Nietzsche, Sartre? Wink, wink, wink.

50 posted on 07/25/2002 6:12:15 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: RMrattlesnake
Since atheists believee we came from nothing, doesn't that still make them nothing???
51 posted on 07/25/2002 6:19:44 AM PDT by sonserae
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To: sonserae
Since atheists believee we came from nothing, doesn't that still make them nothing???

No, but only because your premise is a strawman.
52 posted on 07/25/2002 6:22:59 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: pariah
Religious expressions are not banned from public life. I see them in public all the time. Government support is banned and rightly so.
53 posted on 07/25/2002 9:00:32 AM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
Government support is banned and rightly so.

Some people seem to think that government support for their religion is a necessary component of their religion...
54 posted on 07/25/2002 9:41:15 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
you've brought the discussion around to the original point. We are seeing the problem in its extreme in some of the Islamic countries.
55 posted on 07/25/2002 9:44:59 AM PDT by breakem
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To: pariah
Only those Rights conceived to be granted by the Creator are genuine -- all others are revokable on the whim of those in power, or in the changing of political fashion.

Every right can be changed, there are no inalienable rights. Rights are what people (usually in a society) grant to each other. So in a different society you have different rights.
Inalienable are only your needs e.g. you want to live, you want to be happy or you want to state your opinion openly. This is true in every situation, however, it doesn't automatically follow that others grant you the according rights to those needs.
Just because you are an American citizen and you have the right of freedom of speech in the U.S. doesn't mean you have the same rights in Iran for instance. Just call some mullah a doofus and see what happens.

So just because it is a bad idea to revoke certain rights doesn't mean that this is not possible. Further, people very often don't agree on what these genuine divine rights are, so different religions or even different denominations of the same religion can come up with different genuine divine rights. And so far I haven't heard of any objective method with which we can determine what these so called divine rights are.

The Founding Fathers only meant to prevent the establishment of a State Religion, not to ban religion from government and public life.

They wanted to prevent an establishment of a state religion but also the entanglement of religion and government i.e. the government should be neutral in regard to religion. And that is what a secular government is. So people may still be religious but the government should not prefer one religion over an other or religion over non-religion or vice versa. It must simply remain neutral.

56 posted on 07/25/2002 11:38:24 AM PDT by BMCDA
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To: Dimensio; JediGirl
I just think that some people take the Free Exercise Clause a bit too far.
They simply think that just because some practice is part of a religion they can freely exercise it but this is not the case. They may believe whatever they want but they can't do whatever they want.
So if their religion commands them to force it upon others and to use whatever means to achieve this goal (e.g. taking over the government) they have bad luck since this is not allowed.
However, some still seem to have a problem with this since they apparently believe that laws don't apply to religions.
And of course there is still this misunderstanding that 'secular' means that everybody has to be an atheist :(
57 posted on 07/25/2002 11:56:55 AM PDT by BMCDA
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To: f.Christian
"Agnostics are neutral....atheists are anti---militants/talibans!"

What an idiotic lead in to a disturbed rant… Atheism only means that one's worldview is not theologically based. God help you.

58 posted on 07/25/2002 12:17:35 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
What ever made you think your understanding is the road map of the uiniverse...more like the town dump---treatment plant!
59 posted on 07/25/2002 12:29:25 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: elfman2
What ever made you think your understanding is the road map of the uiniverse...

more like the town dump---

treatment plant---bilge swill!

60 posted on 07/25/2002 12:31:05 PM PDT by f.Christian
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