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Tolerating Intolerance: The Challenge of Fundamentalist Islam in Western Europe
Partisan Reviews ^ | 24 jul 02 | Bruce Bawer

Posted on 07/24/2002 7:17:43 AM PDT by white trash redneck

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To: white trash redneck
bump and thanks for posting.
81 posted on 07/25/2002 9:45:09 AM PDT by hillsborofox
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To: Travis McGee
How many other Islamic time bombs are ticking among us?

This is not at all an insignigicant question!

According to Richard Pipes, 5-10% of American-based Muslims could be in that category. That's a lot of people, not to mention a big sea for the fish to swim in.

But that figure does not count our indigeonous Farrahkahners, Islamic-born-again convicts, unknown Islamic border-crashers, organized street gang opportunity-seekers, university sympathizers, Liberals and other assorted hard-leftists, fascists and orphaned Communists.

All in all, a lot of potential killers are roaming around unfettered out there in The Homeland just waiting for the opportunity to go public!

82 posted on 07/25/2002 9:55:59 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Travis McGee
How much EU and Islamic Arab nation cooperation is going on and gathering momentum?

How do you spell it, orjy or orgy?

83 posted on 07/25/2002 10:17:07 AM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: FreedomPoster
If Europe and Japan are the imperialists, that will probably be a big boost to their national morale, and hike up their BIRTH RATES.
84 posted on 07/25/2002 10:44:01 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Gritty
That's why if we see a chronic outbreak of unpredictable LAX type terrorism, the govt is going to have to take care of the problem, or the people will with Rule 308.
85 posted on 07/25/2002 11:52:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Savage Beast
WOW...SB...Great analysis...I was hoping for more agreement with his suggestions...And Wish you were wrong with all my heart about this "cult" being so imbedded in its followers that a thorough intro to Democratic values and civil rights can't reprogram it...but I'm afraid you're right at this time and place... Its too easy to parrot western values for a few months and pass any sort of "trial" status as an immigrant with bad intent.

I just hope some realistic liberals will convert to Conservatism BEFORE they have to be "mugged"- which in this context probably means bombed or poisoned, in order to see the "Death Cult" as a political movement, not religious practice. Too much Israeli and American Blood has already been spilled to treat this threat as anything but WAR!..Long Live Free Republic!!!

86 posted on 07/25/2002 12:39:38 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: Travis McGee
Post #63: That's a relief. I had envisioned a much worse scenario.
87 posted on 07/25/2002 1:12:49 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: quebecois
Post #55: You're right. "Liberalism" dispises liberty, individuality, liberalism, and justice. "Liberalism" is dedicated to control, conformity, limitation of options, and the redistribution of injustice.
88 posted on 07/25/2002 1:45:00 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: yoe
"Why do so many come for Freedom and then proceed to plow it under?"

In the case of Muslims, they know that time and numbers are on their side and that, if Westerners fail to take action long enough, it will be too late for them to prevent an Islamic takeover. They don't want Freedom. They want Islamic theocracy, and if present trends continue they just might get it, and they are well aware of this. They don't want Freedom; they don't want it to exist; they fully intend "to plow it under".

89 posted on 07/25/2002 1:54:10 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Travis McGee
I will be surprised if Europe manages an effective defense against the Muslim onslought, even if dramatic terrorist attacks occur. I think that this will stimulate Americans to become more united in a common defense and will force North America, Russia, and India into an alliance that will become more and more overt in its opposition to Islamic imperialism and will also serve to keep China on a peaceful track to prosperity. I think that Muslim ambitions will subside when faced with a determined and overpowering Russian-American-Indian alliance. The alliance will cooperate with China in developing a powerful capitalist economy, and China will effectively join the alliance. Islam will be overpowered and overwhelmed by technology and communications and by a ubiquitous pan-world culture and will secularize and ameliorate.
90 posted on 07/25/2002 2:36:03 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Greybird
One has to wonder at the virulence of some FR posters' opposition to fundamentalist Islam. It seems to be doing an efficient job of eliminating some of the very people, with different sexual orientations, that these posters utterly detest. Many devout Muslims in Western Europe seem to be prepared, and eager, to carry on this tradition.

Sharia also support marriage and punishment for criminals. Whooptido!

You know Soviet style communism opposed homosexuality too. We oppose it for the damage it causes, not what we have in common. All societies have laws governing sexual morality.

Besides, homosexuality is quite common in fundamentalist countries. Muslims seem to be of tow minds. Raping young boys is fine to them. If you read the Hadith, Mohammed had homosexuals in his army and regularly gave the young boys or adolecents of conquered towns to them.

And that some people, in these discussion precincts, might actually support such an incidental outcome? ... I doubt it.
No one at FR support death for homosexuals.
Grow up.

91 posted on 07/25/2002 2:58:16 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Savage Beast
So why didn't they postpone action for a few years, until it might have been too late for us to act against them?
92 posted on 07/25/2002 3:01:58 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Savage Beast; Travis McGee; Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr; babylonian; Crazymonarch; happygrl; ...
And I can think of a much worse scenario to your #90 or Travis' #63.

China is no friend of America, having already raided America's pension funds for money to build their war factories and being a major player with the globalists in the stock market which will go into a total crash and topple the world economy, giving power to the One World Order and the Muslims.

When America attacks Iraq, America will be hit by a world consortium led by Russia, China, Arab states, Mexico, N. Korea and others, and the American army is destroyed.  At the same time, there is an attack on the U.S. mainland with invasion, nukes and bio-war, and just before or at the same time, there is a round-up of Christians and Jews.  At some point major earthquakes and other calamities greatly impact the U.S. so it is no longer recognizable.  Around the world islands disappear, coastlines are greatly changed and the oceans are litters with dangerous debris making sea travel hazardous.  Israel will have trouble, but ultimately may be the only safe place and all nations which come against Jerusalem will be destroyed.

Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

I could go on, but people get so upset by this sort of thing...

Today would be a good day to start trying to repent.  Pride is on the rise and that is a bad sign.

Pr 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

P.S. "Pre-Trib Rapture" is a deception and no one is going anywhere until the end. 

93 posted on 07/25/2002 3:36:07 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: aristeides
"So why didn't they postpone action for a few years, until it might have been too late for us to act against them?"

They are united in purpose but not in strategy. Many are hotheaded and impetuous. And of utmost importance--they were tempted by our apparent weakness.

America's enemies perceived her as decadent and, as the Chinese leadership appraised us, "in hopeless decline".

This is understandable.

The U.S. had twice elected a psychopath to the presidency and had generally applauded and laughed at his antics, which inluded purjury, rape, and wag-the-dog bombing, among other things.

Democrat politicians had sold America's military secrets to foreign governments for campaign contributions, and the American people reacted with indifference.

The U.S. military had been feminized.

There is a strong "Liberal" current in America, dominating the newsmedia, academia, Hollywood, and many enclaves primarily in the northeast and the west coast, and "Liberalism" is decadence.

However, the American reaction to the September 11 Massacre and President Bush's immediate recognition of its significance, i.e. that America is at war whether she wants to be or not, startled our enemies, including Islam, and potential enemies, including China.

America's enemies were surprised to learn that the American spirit and genius are alive and well--in America's vibrant, energetic, and still ascendant Heartland.

In other words, they underestimated the American people.

It's not the first time we have been underestimated.

94 posted on 07/25/2002 4:17:11 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: 2sheep
"When America attacks Iraq, America will be hit by a world consortium led by Russia, China, Arab states, Mexico, N. Korea and others, and the American army is destroyed."

There is no chance that that would happen. Considering the enormity of U.S. military power, for these nations to attack America would be suicide, and they are well aware of it. That is what prevented adventurism by the Soviet Union and ultimately lead to the end of the cold war. Furthermore, if the American army were destroyed, America's nuclear arsenal would be released, and the world as we know it would end.

"At the same time, there is an attack on the U.S. mainland with invasion, nukes and bio-war, and just before or at the same time, there is a round-up of Christians and Jews. "

By this point, there would be no one left to invade the U.S. mainland or to round up the Christians and Jews. All hostile armies and ordnance would have been destroyed by U.S. military power, including nuclear weapons.

" At some point major earthquakes and other calamities greatly impact the U.S. so it is no longer recognizable. Around the world islands disappear, coastlines are greatly changed and the oceans are litters with dangerous debris making sea travel hazardous."

This could happen, if nuclear explosions are considered to be earthquakes and the remaining disasters result from nuclear winter and melting of the polar ice caps, resulting from the release of America's nuclear arsenal.

"Israel will have trouble, but ultimately may be the only safe place and all nations which come against Jerusalem will be destroyed."

The most unlikely thing of all.

"Today would be a good day to start trying to repent."

"When they said, 'Repent! Repent!'
"I wondered what they meant."
--Leonard Cohen

95 posted on 07/25/2002 6:32:06 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast; Don'tMessWithTexas
All of your theories are dashed by a simple Strike First plan of the enemies of America.  Click around, there are more than enough articles on F.R. alone to substantiate this.

 Henry Gruver, I saw Russians Attack the USA

 China's Nuclear Arsenal and Missile Defence

 Bush continues Clinton Agenda

>"When they said, 'Repent! Repent!'
   "I wondered what they meant.

Stop sinning.  Seek G-d until you find Him and hear Him.  If you don't hear Him, you don't know Him and can't hear Him because you haven't repented.  That is a circle and past explaining to the unrepentant.

Faithful Jews hear God which means in Hebrew "to hear/obey/act."  Shema!
Apostate Christians interpret the same word hear to mean "to receive sound."

Therein lies the problem.  Faith without action is dead.   Jas 2:26.
Jesus said those who say and do not are hypocrites.   Mt. 23.

More here.  See  83 on this thread:  Scripture Fulfilled: Rev. 17 & 18 Predicted the NY Attacks!

96 posted on 07/25/2002 8:10:43 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: rmlew
No one at FR supports death for homosexuals. Grow up.

Buy a clue. I suggested that very few FReepers would be notably perturbed at this outcome. That's only one shade on the favorable side of "supporting death" outright, but it's still a considerable distance into the realm of moral depravity.

The distance between such not-that-perturbed types and, say, a Fred Phelps of the Westover Baptist Church of Wichita, Kansas, who pickets AIDS victims' funerals with slavering hate on placards ... well, it's not that much.

97 posted on 07/25/2002 8:39:36 PM PDT by Greybird
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To: Savage Beast
I agree about the US-Russian-Indian alliance of necessity, but I don't see China playing with us, I see China throwing in with the Islamic world.
98 posted on 07/25/2002 9:20:11 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: 2sheep
Here is a simple way to save Europe!
Make it lawful for the sodomites to rape moslem men!
Hey, Mohammed, can you sqeel like a French pig! WEE, WEE, WEE.

Oh that's bad! I aught to be ashamed!
99 posted on 07/25/2002 9:21:34 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Greybird
Buy a clue. I suggested that very few FReepers would be notably perturbed at this outcome. That's only one shade on the favorable side of "supporting death" outright, but it's still a considerable distance into the realm of moral depravity. The distance between such not-that-perturbed types and, say, a Fred Phelps of the Westover Baptist Church of Wichita, Kansas, who pickets AIDS victims' funerals with slavering hate on placards ... well, it's not that much.

A good Christian will want the homosexual to repent.
What does a good anti-Christian bigot do?

100 posted on 07/25/2002 9:47:27 PM PDT by rmlew
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