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Justice Dept. Forges Ahead with TIPS, Despite Armey Ban.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | July 21st, 2002 | Karen Branch-Brioso

Posted on 07/23/2002 10:13:33 AM PDT by WyldKard

Justice Dept. forges ahead with TIPS, despite Armey ban
BY KAREN BRANCH-BRIOSO
St. Louis Post-Dispatch

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - The Justice Department is forging ahead with establishing a network of domestic tipsters_despite being dealt what may be a deathly blow to the plan: House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, inserted last week a ban on the program in the bill to form a new Homeland Security Department.

"The administration is continuing to pursue Operation TIPS. We're continuing with that course of action," Barbara Comstock, spokeswoman for Attorney General John Ashcroft, said in an interview Friday. That was the same day Armey's committee approved the bill. "We believe the program represents an important resource and that it's been misrepresented to date."

Operation TIPS, short for Terrorism Information and Prevention System, is one part of President George W. Bush's volunteerism initiatives. It aims to recruit millions of American workers to be alert to "suspicious" activities they encounter in their workday routines_and report them to a toll-free, federal hotline. The government is looking for "truck drivers, bus drivers, train conductors, mail carriers, utility meter readers, ship captains and port personnel," according to the program's Web site.

Armey's impetus for banning Operation TIPS? "To ensure that no operation of the department can be construed to promote citizens spying on one another," he wrote in his summary of the bill. The Republican leader's opposition was the politically weightiest in a weeklong series of statements against the program, set for launch in August.

The American Civil Liberties Union declared last Monday that the program could turn utility workers into "government-sanctioned peeping Toms." Then on Wednesday the Rutherford Institute, a conservative think tank that promotes privacy and religious rights, weighed in.

"What this means for the average citizen is that whatever you read, eat or do - in the privacy of your home or out in public_will now be suspect in the eyes of your cable repairman, postal carrier, meter man or others who, by way of the services they provide, will have access to your home," said John W. Whitehead, founder and president of the Virginia-based institute.

The outcry prompted the U.S. Postal Service to issue a statement Wednesday to make it clear that its 300,000-plus letter carriers nationwide hadn't signed on.

But Sue Brennan, spokeswoman for the Postal Service, said in an interview Friday that the idea was still on the table. She said Postal Service officials and the unions representing its letter carriers plan to meet with Justice Department officials to further explore the program. The notice of nonparticipation, she said, was to make it clear that an earlier meeting did not signal an endorsement.

"We issued it to try to calm what was going on," she said. "We never agreed to participate. Nothing had progressed beyond that first meeting."

Yet the plan has plenty of takers already. Labor unions that represent the nation's truck drivers and port workers stepped up to volunteer their "eyes and ears" to the terrorism surveillance effort.

Indeed, James P. Hoffa, general president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, stood in the White House driveway June 21 after a meeting with Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge to pledge his support.

"On behalf of the Teamsters, I offered the fact that we have 500,000 truck drivers on the road at any one time, and these people can be the eyes and ears of the Homeland Security office," Hoffa said. "They are in secure buildings. We have 250,000 UPS workers. And we're going to work with the director in the future about trying to put together a program where they can report as they see things that are suspicious."

Teamsters spokesman Rob Black told the Post-Dispatch that the union has held "informal talks" with the administration since then.

"The Teamsters remain willing to make good on Mr. Hoffa's offer to help serve in the homeland security efforts, and the TIPS program is something that the Teamsters clearly support," Black said.

Similarly, the president of the 85,000-member International Longshoremen's Association stands by his vow in late March to play a surveillance role at the nation's docks.

"In the wake of September 11th, U.S. ports are again the focus of concern for illegal use of containers," Longshoreman's President John Bowers wrote in the summer newsletter to union members. "The contents could contain something much more destructive than illegal drugs, perhaps even a nuclear device.

"My members know the docks. They would know better than anyone if something's wrong."

The ACLU is acknowledging that, in such instances, a volunteer tipster program would be perfectly legitimate. But the group's primary concern revolves around the administration's stated purpose of recruiting from the ranks of utility meter readers and package delivery personnel.

"I'm less worried about interstate truckers as UPS delivery people who go to people's homes. Americans still feel like their home is a sacred place, where they should be free from unreasonable government surveillance," said ACLU legislative counsel Rachel King. She believes overzealous volunteers might consider as suspicious items they spot in a home_such as gun magazines, a Quran or letters written in Arabic.

"That doesn't mean if you're a UPS worker and you see a bomb that we don't want you to report it. We're not saying, `Don't use common sense.' We're just saying that at what point do we create an informant society?"

Comstock, the Justice Department spokeswoman, said Operation TIPS' planners have no intention of promoting snooping in private places:

"None of the Operation TIPS materials published on the Web or elsewhere have made reference to entry or access to the homes of individuals; nor has it ever been the intention of the Department of Justice, or any other agency, to set up such a program. Our interest in establishing the Operation TIPS program is to allow American workers to share information they receive in the regular course of their jobs in public places and areas."

According to the program's Web site, Operation TIPS' launch will start this summer "as a pilot program in 10 cities." But on Friday, when asked whether the Justice Department had chosen those 10 cities, Comstock said the pilot plan had been scrapped for a less-targeted approach.

The ACLU, which was particularly concerned with the focus of a large corps of volunteer tipsters in just 10 U.S. cities, welcomed the change of plans. King speculated that opposition from multiple prongs of the political spectrum_and particularly from Armey_may have tempered the initial plan.

"It sounds like maybe the Justice Department is trying to take into consideration some of the concerns," King said. "If that's the case, I'm happy to hear that."

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Can you BELIEVE this? After a good joe like Dick Armey killed TIPS in his bill, Ashcroft is still hell bent on shoving it down our unwilling throats!!

That's it, I am fed up with that "Conservative In Name Only" Ashcroft. I thought he was going to be a good guy because of his 2nd Amendment stance, but he quickly turned into a zealot who wastes our tax dollars covering up naked statues, and comparing loyal patriots of the Country and Constitution with terrorists!

And frankly, I've about had it with the entire administration, between the Neo-Con GW and this guy...
1 posted on 07/23/2002 10:13:33 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
a better title for the article: Justice Department Goes Rogue
2 posted on 07/23/2002 10:16:38 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: WindMinstrel
Suprise! "Stroke of the Pen, law of the land. Kinda cool."
3 posted on 07/23/2002 10:18:09 AM PDT by Scholastic
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To: WyldKard
BUMP
4 posted on 07/23/2002 10:19:01 AM PDT by Scholastic
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To: WyldKard; dirtboy; browardchad
The administration is continuing to pursue Operation TIPS.

This will make more than a few freepers happy. After all it's being proposed under the Bush regime.

BTW, it makes me ill.

5 posted on 07/23/2002 10:22:04 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
that must have made Armey do a bit of a double-take, eh? "You're doing WHAT??"
6 posted on 07/23/2002 10:23:53 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: Fred Mertz
BTW, it makes me ill.

It's making me a bit queasy myself. Ashcroft's Justice Department seems hell-bent on pursuing its own agenda, whether it is ignoring habeous corpus for Padilla or pursuing TIPS in defiance of a Congressional leader of his own party.

7 posted on 07/23/2002 10:26:06 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: WyldKard
I like Bush. I disagree with him quite often, but I like the man. I don't think he or Ashcroft are doing this from the wrong frame of mind, but I do think they are wrong to be doing this.

This administration is frustrating as hell. I wish like everything that I could support it more, but every time I turn around they've run off the conservative reservation.

How in the hell did they get the idea that turning our citizens into snitches on each other wholesale, would be come to something positive?

IMO Ben Laden has been far more successful than he ever imagined he would be. As our nation morphs into the East Germany of the 1960s, he or his ghost must be laughing with glee.

8 posted on 07/23/2002 10:26:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Scholastic
Suprise! "Stroke of the Pen, law of the land. Kinda coolade."
9 posted on 07/23/2002 10:28:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: WyldKard
Its becoming hard to tell who the real enemy is anymore.
10 posted on 07/23/2002 10:30:12 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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To: habaes corpussel
When you think about it, a rogue Justice department is the only real way we could see a coup in the US, isn't it?
11 posted on 07/23/2002 10:31:44 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: DoughtyOne
I don't think he or Ashcroft are doing this from the wrong frame of mind, but I do think they are wrong to be doing this.

The road to hell tyranny is paved with good intentions.

12 posted on 07/23/2002 10:32:28 AM PDT by Jesse
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To: DoughtyOne
What you said. Couldn't of said it better myself. I can't figure out how come I like this president so much, even as I see all our civil liberties disappear on his watch.
13 posted on 07/23/2002 10:33:43 AM PDT by twigs
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To: WindMinstrel
"When you think about it, a rogue Justice department is the only real way we could see a coup in the US, isn't it?"

Boy I will tell you this much. It can get really scary out there. To think I supported the Ashcroft nomination. I should have realized that there might have been a reason why a dead guy got voted in over Ashcroft for US Senate. I am holding my breath.

14 posted on 07/23/2002 10:47:17 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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To: WyldKard
Ashcroft to Congress: "I don't give a damn about what the US Constitution says. The US Justice Dept is above the law. Due to the ongoing war on terrorism, the Consitition is now suspended until further notice."
15 posted on 07/23/2002 10:50:23 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: WyldKard
Ashcroft to Congress: "I don't give a damn about what the US Constitution says. The US Justice Dept is above the law. Due to the ongoing war on terrorism, the Consitition is now suspended until further notice."
16 posted on 07/23/2002 10:50:36 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: twigs
Evidently people haven't heard of J. Edgar Hoover and the secret files that guy developed on all sorts of private individuals. Imagine what that guy could have done with the Tips program.

Like Bush or not, we are going to have to realize that in ten or twenty years he could be viewed as a Calchesque (sp?) or others from the Eastern Block, who were hated for what they set up or carried out.

17 posted on 07/23/2002 10:51:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Like Bush or not, we are going to have to realize that in ten or twenty years he could be viewed as a Calchesque (sp?) or others from the Eastern Block, who were hated for what they set up or carried out.

Chelchesque or something, I know the guy you mean. And yeah, Bush and company seem hell bent on becoming very unpopular in the eyes of future historians.

Oh wait, the Ministry of Truth will probably make sure he's as loved as Jesus Christ, in another 20 years. Silly me, problem solved.

Now where did my chocolate ration ticket go?
18 posted on 07/23/2002 10:57:29 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: habaes corpussel
"Its becoming hard to tell who the real enemy is anymore"

It's not really hard to determine who the real enemy is.

The enemy we have to fear the most are those esconced within our government. in the White House, in both Houses of Congress and even a few in the SCOTUS, to say nothing of the ones hidden within the ranks of the bureaucrats.

I know the Bush Bots will deny that GW is part of the problem. but this problem starts at the top. If GW did not approve of the VIP plan it would not be instituted. Power hungry politicians clap loudly as they see their chance to turn our country into "The New Order". GW Bush by betraying his oath to support and defend the Constitution has become a "De Facto Traitor" Read the Constitutional definiton of Treason and you will have to agree.

We desperately need to clean out the Washington Establishment, and by that I mean Politicians on both sides of the aisle, and return this country to what it was originally and was meant to be, A Republic.

That's my opinion
19 posted on 07/23/2002 10:59:42 AM PDT by Old philosopher
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To: WyldKard; WindMinstrel; Scholastic; Fred Mertz; dirtboy; habaes corpussel; Jesse; fogarty
Ok lets close our eyes and stuff cotton in our ears so we can't hear and see what the terrorists are up to. Sounds good to me....Not..You people are pathetic. This has nothing to do with spying on the average citizen but trying to prevent other terrorist attacks
20 posted on 07/23/2002 11:02:20 AM PDT by Kaslin
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