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Great Myths of the Great Depression
Universidad Autónoma de Centro América ^ | 1998 | Lawrence W. Reed

Posted on 07/22/2002 3:11:50 PM PDT by AdamSelene235

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To: Zack Nguyen
"What is the point of even working?"

Citizen! Anti-social criticism is actually treason, isn't it?

Remember the penalty!!!
21 posted on 07/22/2002 4:04:12 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: AdamSelene235
Do you really believe that Greenspan, Rubin, O'Neill, etc. don't know about these theories and facts and are dumbly repeating the old mistakes? While you, of course, are smarter and wiser?

What's most depressing about this post is how little the campaign arguments and humbug have changed. The public apparently never learns anything.

22 posted on 07/22/2002 4:06:31 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Zack Nguyen
Bump
23 posted on 07/22/2002 4:08:57 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: headsonpikes
How dare I!
24 posted on 07/22/2002 4:19:56 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: liberallarry
Do you really believe that Greenspan, Rubin, O'Neill, etc. don't know about these theories and facts and are dumbly repeating the old mistakes? While you, of course, are smarter and wiser?

Never met them, couldn't tell you. Their problems are institutional in nature. The Soviets had some brilliant economists: didn't help.

25 posted on 07/22/2002 4:21:09 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: liberallarry
INteresting point.

UNfortunately, the public is short-sighted and only wants what is best for them at the present time without regard to the consequences.

BTW, I have not had any luck with your problem. My medical friends said "They should not move out there," I know it is crass to say that but they did qualify it by saying that our resources need to be here in the urban area where they are needed most. You might be LiberalLarry but I LIVE in the stronghold of the left-wing. I am still trying.

26 posted on 07/22/2002 4:23:30 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: headsonpikes
Again with the rose-colored glasses!

Actually, I'm doing quite well in the markets, so, yes, things are rosy. I'm just a bit concerned about the long term.

27 posted on 07/22/2002 4:26:39 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: liberallarry
Do you really believe that Greenspan, Rubin, O'Neill, etc. don't know about these theories and facts and are dumbly repeating the old mistakes? While you, of course, are smarter and wiser?

Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that they are aware and concerned. There is only so much that they can do to avoid the same mistakes--given the prevalence of demagogues in Government, who will insist on "doing something," if things continue to deteriorate. It is when the politicians feel the need to "do something," that we get in trouble.

Remember that the natural tendency of the market is to correct itself. If there is a misallocation of resources, causing dislocations in employment, markets, whatever; the normal response--if the politicians just will stay out of it--is for all of the human factors in the economy to put their greatest effort into finding what is most beneficial to them--what they can legally do which will be most valued by others. That is how the rewards in a free economy are determined.

The way out of a depression is the same way we grew strong to begin with: Unleash the creative force of the whole people. No group of central planners on earth can ever be a match for that. Anyone who understands the actual dynamic knows how utterly ridiculous it is to expect planners to ever be a substitute for the power of a free economy. What Washington needs to be doing is to help remove the barriers to that free economy. Make sure the money is stable; that taxes are not burdensome; that red-tape to appease Leftwing bureaucrats does not impede rapid decision making--rapid adjustment to fluid conditions, etc..

As Reagan put it: Government is not the solution to the problem; often Government is the problem.

As for those Corporate Fiduciaries, who have betrayed the sacred Trust they owed the Shareholders they were supposed to be serving: If they deserve it, Prosecute the Hell out of them! That is a different principle, altogether. For a Fiduciary to milk a Trust for personal benefit is a crime. But the violation of a bureaucratically imposed duty, designed to accomplish some politician's social purpose, is something quite different.

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28 posted on 07/22/2002 4:30:21 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: AdamSelene235
The Federal Reserve was set up to stop Depressions and Recessions. That was the way the Fed was sold to congress. Seems they are not doing the job.

Or maybe they are doing the job they were set up to do.

The Federal Reserve must be destroyed and we must have a just money system.

30 posted on 07/22/2002 4:38:02 PM PDT by Radioactive
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To: Radioactive
The Federal Reserve was set up to stop Depressions and Recessions. That was the way the Fed was sold to congress. Seems they are not doing the job.

They also claimed they would help keep unemployment low. Barron's recently had an article on the subject comparing pre-Fed vs. post-Fed US unemployment. Unsurprisingly, we have never reached pre-Fed levels.

31 posted on 07/22/2002 4:42:35 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: Ohioan
There is only so much that they can do to avoid the same mistakes--given the prevalence of demagogues in Government...

True, especially at this stage when people are starting to panic. But at the other stages...grossly inflating the money supply as the boom builds, continuing to contract it during the bust. I wonder.

Remember that the natural tendency of the market is to correct itself.

I'm out of my depth here. But Soros, who isn't, doesn't seem to agree with you. While you may not like many of the things he's done or says, he's no idiot.

What Washington needs to be doing is to help remove the barriers to that free economy. Make sure the money is stable; that taxes are not burdensome; that red-tape to appease Leftwing bureaucrats does not impede rapid decision making--rapid adjustment to fluid conditions, etc..

Who can argue with this...or with your complaints about central planners. Whether it will be enough is for better men than I to say.

As for those Corporate Fiduciaries, who have betrayed the sacred Trust they owed the Shareholders they were supposed to be serving: If they deserve it, Prosecute the Hell out of them!

This is what I think must be done as fast as possible. No single step, in my mind, will restore faith and trust more than this...or, if not done, will do more to undermine them. But this is what I fear the Bush administration does not want to do.

32 posted on 07/22/2002 4:49:41 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Lizavetta; AdamSelene235
"Rothbard estimates that the Federal Reserve expanded the money supply by 60% from mid 1921 through mid 1929."

That works out to an annual increase of 6%, which is fairly modest.

Also, it's hard to tell which is cause and effect between money supply and economic activity. For example, inceased economic activity generates more money and is reflected in an increased money supply.

33 posted on 07/22/2002 4:54:44 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: agitator
America is the market everybody else wants into and they should pay for the privilege.

You don't seem to realize that trade has two equal parties--the buyer and the seller. You can't beat up on one without giving the other a black eye as well. Let other governments beat up on their consumers, forcing artificially high prices and inflating the cost of living with high tarrifs. Free trade is almost always the economically and morally sensible policy, even if unilateral.

34 posted on 07/22/2002 4:54:57 PM PDT by beavus
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To: Arioch7
Thanks for trying. Didn't you get my FReepmail? We're out of the immediate crisis stage because government will help us with the emegency room. We've decided the regional model is the one we have to live with so we will keep hospital services to a minimum (crisis stabilization) while looking to expand clinic services and the old folks home. That seems to be a viable solution until technology again changes the equation. In this regard we'll probably try to allow nurses and PAs to be more than is now permitted by law. We'll see. I'll keep you informed.
35 posted on 07/22/2002 4:59:27 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: AdamSelene235
Good point. What institutional changes would you make?
36 posted on 07/22/2002 5:04:37 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
I'm out of my depth here. But Soros, who isn't, doesn't seem to agree with you. While you may not like many of the things he's done or says, he's no idiot.

Remember Soros was the trader not the analyst. He has publicly admitted to having a God complex that drives his desire to reshape the international monetary system. He is waiting for something to destabilize the post-Bretton woods system so he can hawk his ideas.

37 posted on 07/22/2002 5:04:47 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
While the author raises some interesting points, this hardly counts as a serious piece. He picks and chooses which New Deal programs to attack, and which to ignore. What ever happened to Rural Electrification, the CCC, the SEC, TVA, Social Security, etc.? Don't they deserve some mention? Economics is very complicated, and the author doesn't make a convincing case that the NIRA and the Wagner Act were responsible for much of anything. The cost of business may or may not have risen 40%, but who can say that wasn't due to demand fluctuations and higher overhead as more and more satellite companies floundered.<p<This is not to say such a case couldn't be made, but the author doesn't do it.
38 posted on 07/22/2002 5:04:56 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: Ken H
Also, it's hard to tell which is cause and effect between money supply and economic activity. For example, inceased economic activity generates more money and is reflected in an increased money supply.

Money loaned out by the fed has market-rational risk removed from it since it is "gauranteed" by the power of taxation. If a bank loans out its own money, it has its own solvency at stake not to mention the limitation of its own available funds. This greatly restricts the availability of money for loans compared to what is available with the fed res system. If a bank loans out the fed's money it would have to be altruistic to decide that the fed's policy is too loose and is putting the taxpayers at risk.

39 posted on 07/22/2002 5:05:04 PM PDT by beavus
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To: andy_card
What ever happened to Rural Electrification, the CCC, the SEC, TVA, Social Security, etc.?

You're right. FDR was responsible for far more boondoggles than the author mentions. But the piece was already running a bit long, don't you think?

40 posted on 07/22/2002 5:09:06 PM PDT by beavus
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