Posted on 07/21/2002 8:36:02 AM PDT by Jean S
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Shortly after the explosion at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, an "all points bulletin" went out over the Oklahoma City police radio band alerting law enforcement officers to be on the lookout for a "late model, almost new, Chevrolet, full-size pickup, brown in color with tinted windows and a smoke-colored bug deflector on the front."
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A great many facts/observations from many different creditable people were in print but not in the NYT or main media television. Some of these were: John Doe (ME guy); no marshals were inside the building; the German connection with the melitia; the undercover informant in the militia, etc. This was not just a couple of "crazies" reporting these things, but many, many people, whom the FBI and the press chose to ignore.I'm sure all this is in the archives on OKC.The FBI ignored what they could, intimidated whomever they could, and the media just printed and cable-TV'd the whole Bill Clinton spin on hate-radio and militia.
Did Bill Clinton know? Yeah, given his former connections in Ark. with the CIA, the Southern Mafia, etc., he knew. He chose to cover his backside and use the spin for his benefit.
vaudine
There are so many holes in the Oklahoma City case. For example, structural engineers have said that it is IMPOSSIBLE for one lone bomb from a Ryder truck to have caused the explosion. Furthermore, the building was blown out, as though bombs were placed inside. It is also said that structural colums farther away from the blast were completely blown out, yet ones closer to the Ryder truck were standing. Furthermore, ATF agents were not in the building the day of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Yet, there were some seen outside of the building in full gear prior to the bombing.
Another federal apparent wrong is their claim that there was only one bomb, the Ryder truck. Nearly every witness to the bombing claimed of hearing at least two bombs. In fact, that's what the news was reporting, and all of a sudden it was switched to one bomb?
The cameras video tapes from the area have been declared off limits. Why? Could it be that it would have shown more than one man at the scene? More than one bomber?
Lastly, why did Clinton escort middle eastern men out of the country, when some of the same men supposedly involved with Oklahoma City were on the list of terrorists as being involved with September 11?
It makes you think, doesn't it?
Occam's Razor says it's unlikely that that is all just a coincidence and the Islamic terrorists prepping for a big attack just gave up once Timmy took their primary target out from under them.
I can agree with that specific assertion that it might have been planned by the Jehadis BUT that they 'just gave up once Timmy took their primary target out from under them.'
That is at the very least plausible. However when certain Freepers start saying it was some nefarious plot by Clinton, Iraqi terrorists, the ATF, the FBI and several other cabalistic organizations ....ai yi yi! That is where i draw the line! Klington may have been deficient in a myriad of areas ....however when people start saying he collaborated with the FBI, ATF, Iraqi agents and other Islamic fundamentalists i start asking myself what in goodness gracious the people who are saying this stuff have been smoking! And thus my alluding to their statements to claims of the spotting of Sasquatch and Aliens with big googly eyes!
Honestly i have heard of some far flung ideas ...but Clinton hooking up with Iraqis and Jehadis, and conspiring with the FBI to blow up a FBI building?!?!?!?! If that is NOT a wild theory i do not know what is!
Methinks thou doth protest too much. Plus, just like McVeigh and his buddies, being white and "Christian" doesn't mean you can't be in bed with real terrorists...
First of all, I should point out that I passed Rush Limbaugh's kook test (meaning I am a kook). I've strongly suspected that everything since Bill originally took office was nothing but a show for our benefit. Soooooo, here goes. I couldn't prove it, but I wouldn't bet money that Tim McVeigh is dead. The whole fake hearse going out was what really made me start wondering. I pretty much discount the witness testimony that McVeigh was still breathing after pronounced dead, as I've been on incident scenes too often with people I knew were dead, and had people insist they saw them breathing. The whole misdirection thing on removing his body, though, I dunno. I've always thought that the gubmint was way too quick to claim that US citizens were way dangerous, (the Davidians, Ruby Ridge, etc), and that they do backflips to protect the Arabs. The Murrah building was, IMHO Clinton's Riechstag fire. TWA 800? After TWA 800, AlBore headed an airlines safety task force, and all of the recommendations from that committee were about preventing terrorist activities. The thing is, this task force was specifically started because of TWA 800. If the plane was brought down by a construction defect, why all the anti-terrorist recommendations? Also, when was the last time you heard about a plane blowing up, and the FAA said, we know why it blew up, it was a construction defect, but we aren't going to make any recommendations to make sure it doesn't happen again? I forget the name of the plane that crashed shortly after the WTC bombing, but that was off the radar screen so fast it was unreal, and there has never been an explanation of the reason for the crash, at least not one that has been publicly disseminated.
I also have doubts about the rash of train derailments lately. These haven't even been a blip on the radar screen, and I strongly suspect that if there hadn't been video of two planes crashing into the WTC Towers, it would have been a boiler explosion that brought the buildings down.
Is McVeigh dead? I don't know. I do know that it makes little sense to me that McVeigh would blow up a building. According to what I've read, he was a sniper in the military, and it seems more logical to me that he would try to commit an assassination than a bombing. That is primarily because I've found flakes tend to cause damage within their range of expertise. Fire fighters burn things down, police officers shoot people, nurses make deaths look like natural medical occurances, etc. (I'm basing this on my personal knowledge of criminal activity and news stories on serial killers) It always seemed unreal to me that McVeigh would have the expertise to build such an effective bomb. Most of the time in the military, it seems like they give you your bombs pre-built, rather than teaching you how to make them in the manner McVeigh did.
I agree that people can take it a bit far as you state. And that is too far. But the key is when bureaucrats get involved in something it is usually to get their man while protecting their turf and after the fact to cover up for their colossal mistakes. That's how bureaucracies work. The ATF and FBI were just beginning to get their current deserved reputation as serious problem organizations with corrupt elements and a history of bungling unprofessionalism. Heck, they don't even think the recent LAX attack was terrorism.
They wanted to be the heroes and get more funding without being reformed, and they did just did that at the expense of taking the focus off the real threat to America and continuing to be incompetent boobs (remember all the evidence withheld from McVeigh's lawyers found right before his death? Now we know these recent revelations were also withheld.)
Since 9-11 happened, their past professionalism is being examined and found lacking. Too bad it took this long. It's all about cleaning our own investigative house up. I don't think it's about going after Iraq and Iran. We're going to do that for other reasons than OKC. We need to get in better shape to stop the next attack. That could have happened after the OKC case but that was deemed a "sucess" so they got a pass.
As for Bill Clinton, he's just a slick opportunist. He was all over the "white right" before the facts even came out. The connection to Islamists could have been found in the investigation later and he wouldn't have cared. the political job was done.
Great point.
Although I have no idea why McVeigh wouldn't be dead as a door nail, the other comments about TWA 800 are right on. The bizarre CIA animation was total disinformation that didn't even comply with the laws of physics in our universe. While hundreds of eyewitnesses are told they're delusional.
The government in terrorist investigations has not even come close to earning our trust
Grudges? No. Real crimes? Damn Yes!
I accept your sincerity in making this comment, but if the Presidency becomes a 'get out of jail' card, then guess what? You will incentivize the seedier politicians and we will have more like Clinton that will do anything to achieve that office knowing they will be immune once they get there. On the contrary, our politicians need to be reminded that they are not above the law no matter how high they rise in politics.
Jean thanks so much for the thread.
Sorry -- I wasn't specific with my pronouns. I meant our government, not the Iraqis. And I do remember the "no autopsy" part, too."
Carolyn
Lets see you call me all kinds of names and say Im working for the palestinians (how you make that link over OKC I havent the foggiest). I explain that I am in fact not arab, am not an arab sympathizer and now I doth protest too much. Can I do anything right in your eye? Dont say die because it aint going to happen.
Me thinks you are a fairy playing in "fairyland." Get over it bud, two guys have already been convicted of the crime and at least McVeigh never said he didnt do it. There is no proof that any arab was involved, except in your mind (but then thats a big gapping hole).
How do we know what he mentioned or didn't mention? He could have sung like a canary and what he said could have been kept under wraps.
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