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The Right To Leave -- Very Patriotic Must Read
e-mail and some Tampa, FL newspaper ^ | N/A | N/A

Posted on 07/13/2002 8:23:34 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo

Hey Freepers! Below is from a circulating e-mail. It is terrific! Perhaps a Freeper wrote the editorial? I searched FR and I didn't find it posted -- so I am posting it. And even if it was posted previously, more people are bound to read it for the first time now, I hope.

From the circulating e-mail: "After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her drivers license with her face covered, I believe this is even more appropriate. Read on, please!

This is an Editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he?

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely composed of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multi- cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.

This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
My "unhelpful post"?

I guess we are in this forum to lend you help?

Get over yourself...

Perhaps, once you gotten over your hissy fit, it may dawn on you that people would like browsing the comments from other threads, and other FReepers...but hey! FR is about YOU isn't it? We are all to "help" you.

Let's also just keep cluttering the site posting the same article over, and over, and over again until YOU get to read it.

Let's talk about "polite" OK darling?

Polite is taking the time, effort, and energy to not clutter this site with repeated postings of the same mass e-mail that only YOU received, and then, another "polite" thing to do, would be to notify the site Administrators of that fact, so that your duplicate posting be removed.

By the way, I am very capable of communicating in the "civilized" world, I'm not the one throwing the little tantrum, you are.

The most important right that I have, is the right to speak freely, a right that you, seem to wish to take from people. I have a right to be on this thread (I was flagged to it by the way), I have a right to point out the wasted site resources, and I have a right to comment freely on whatever I wish to comment on, darling.

"And you non-religious patriots can also leave and I wouldn't give one flying shi_. Am I right in inferring that in addition to your not wanting religion and patriotism mixed, you also do not look up to your creator? If this is true, then I must ask you who the hell you think created you? Or do you think you hail from a line of freakin' amphibians? No offense meant towards amphibians. Yeah, you non-religious patriots do have a right to voice your unreligious opinion; and thank God I have a right to voice my support of religious patriotism. I often wonder if atheists or agnostics change their stripes in a war or other troubling situation..."

Talk about impolite...and crude.

Smile girl, Jesus loves you...even with that potty mouth, and crappy attitude.

Oh, and one last thing...try HTML, it would make your little rants easier to read.

41 posted on 07/13/2002 12:03:52 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Oohh...hit a sore spot, did I? Well sir, it was your "crappy" attitude and sarcasm that prompted my rant. Yes, it was a rant. Yes, you were sarcastic. I posted a nice little patriotic and proudly religious e-mail; you responded negatively.

I wonder if it is because you are from Cuba and you're offended. If so, that's your problem. You see, your pointing out that the post was posted already (beginning in January) is perfectly fine with me; but your final sentence was akin to the low typical blows we have come to expect from say, demoncrats -- i.e., unnecessary and uncalled for and not even in the ballpark of discussing the issues.

You might have simply stated the piece was posted previously and left it at that. But you didn't did you? No, your vanity and need to pat yourself on the head carried you further.

Yes, I see you were flagged, but you added nothing by posting, so why participate? Merely to throw your weight around and act important? I see no other reason, do you? That is why I have always wondered about folks who post the "already posted" notes in a negative way like you did.

Not to worry. I know Jesus also loves you, vanity, sarcasm and all. Yeesh, God forbid if you are married; you seem like you would be a pretty unforgiving chap. :-)

P.S. Hope you liked the formatting, for your eyes only. Cause it's all about you, isn't it? There, I slunk to your apparent level, now let me jump back up.

43 posted on 07/13/2002 12:48:11 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
Perhaps, once you get over thinking that the whole world revolves around you, you will realize that my comment was directed at ALL the people whose posts I had highlighted.

As far as hitting a sore spot...PLEEEEZE!!!!

Look at you infantile reaction to my two sentence post.

And I participate because I want to, regardless of what your little mind tells you, you are not in charge here, babe.

BTW, where exactly did you read my taking offense at the e-mail?

Now, run along and go tell the rest of the world what the rules according to Donna are.

I am not interested, and your posting of this e-mail is still quite redundant.
44 posted on 07/13/2002 12:56:39 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Anamensis
Nothing trumps my Constitution, no Bible, no Koran, no Torah. No one trumps my President, no savior, no god, no UN leader, nothing.

You haven't been destitute yet

45 posted on 07/13/2002 1:07:45 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
After you're done telling me what I should (or should not) have posted on this thread, and how I should have said it, take a few minutes and familiarize yourself with the little blurb posted below. It's been all the rage in the US for quite a while.

Amendment I.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress can pass no laws abridging the freedom of speech...but Donna can!!!

46 posted on 07/13/2002 1:07:58 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, I wrote from the get-go that I searched and did not find the e-mail from the title I received in my e-mail. That alone shows a sensitivity to duplicate posts and wasted bandwidth (like you really care...). However, even so, some pieces are priceless and need recirculation now and again.

So, why should I have to read your post which was not in good humor at all? Why should I be happy with your post when it seems only meant to provoke? I don't know what you are used to, but I don't normally roll over when provoked, I bite.

I can't really understand your inherent need to post your sarcastic post (it certainly reads sarcastic) other than that you are anal retentive, are of short corporeal stature, or that you perhaps were offended because of the e-mail's language reference. I know you value God, so that is not in question.

Your post certainly hints that you have a need to "correct" people (were you a hall monitor in school?). Frankly, most of us can spend all day responding to innocuous duplicate posts, spelling errors, wrong word usages, etc. here on FR. It is the pathology of the folks that do that -- even once in awhile -- that amaze me. It must satisfy some kind of need.

47 posted on 07/13/2002 1:23:33 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Age of Reason
All immigration must cease because the more people you pack into America, the less free you will be.

This logic is unreasonable (no pun intended).

48 posted on 07/13/2002 1:37:07 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: kjenerette
I am an Army Desert Storm veteran...

You, too? HOOAH!

49 posted on 07/13/2002 1:58:49 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Age of Reason
Someone who wants to immigrate to America, must first purchase their American citizenship from a worthless American citizen.

Then those people who sold their American citizenship are deported.

Again, that's unreasonable (no pun intended).

50 posted on 07/13/2002 2:00:15 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
Listen, you don't have to read my post. You don't have to respond to my post. You don't even have to continue this "conversation", but yu can't tell anyone what they should, or shouldn't, post, where they should or shouldn't post it, and when they should, or shouldn't post...what you do have to explain, is why you're so damned angry at the world. After all, I didn't make up the fact that this has been posted five times (maye more), that's just a simple fact.

BTW, how was it that everyone else received an e-mail titled "Immigrants, Not Americans Must Adapt"...and you got a different title.

Did you change it?
51 posted on 07/13/2002 2:26:19 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: gcruse
YaYa, I read the piece of trash. . Not neccisarily you but lots of people are making a 1st amendment stand. Not that I am a constitutional lawyer, but one doesn't have to be to read. The 1st amendment gurantee's that the government shall not form a religion and make us prctice it. This country wa founded by God fearing citizens, who protected the society from oppression and tyranny.

When it is not ran by civilized, God fearing people (see management of America by bill Klintoon) consider the disasterous results. As a matter of fact, find a time when America was ran by a known aethiest and what good they did for the country on the whole. Happy that God is included since 1954 in the pledge of allegiance.

52 posted on 07/13/2002 3:51:00 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: kjenerette; Luis Gonzalez
Well said, Katherine!

Hope all is well with you and your ever-growing family!

Now, about this little debate:

John Adams, our second President, said it even more plainly: “Our Constitution was only made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Any questions?

BTW, the more times this article is posted, Luis, the better. This is a must read article.

53 posted on 07/13/2002 6:19:59 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: E Rocc
The need for some to mix religion into American patriotism is sometimes annoying to those of us who are patriotic but are not religious.

Eric, there is no right in the Constitution against annoyance. There is a right to freely "exercise" religion.

Having said that I don't think that being agnostic or atheist excludes you or anybody from being a patriot.

As long as the federal government, and the states through the auspices of the infamous fourteenth amendment, do not establish a religion, then the widest latitude should be given to the principles upon which this nation was founded. Judeo/Christian principles of unalienable rights granted by the Creator and not by the state.

54 posted on 07/13/2002 6:31:50 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Taxman
Thanks Taxman...hope you are well and, well, tax-free...(smile)

The one saving grace that Van & I have is the fact that we will teach apprx. 300-400 college students each semester about the U.S. Constitution and individual self government - we will be sure to include your quote in the FALL 2002 semester.

take care and our best to Dixie Sass...KMJ & Family

55 posted on 07/13/2002 6:39:34 PM PDT by kjenerette
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Hi Luis. I didn't change the title -- that is what the complete title was as it was forwarded to me in my e-mail. Go figure? Perhaps one of the other postings in the past year also inlcuded the specific name of the Tampa newspaper, my e-mail did not.

People who take the time to write solely to make sarcastic statements that mean to do nothing but provoke piss me off. You see, Luis, my beef is only with your "puff-myself-up, slap-me-on-the-back" sarcasm. I have seen others post similar statements on FR, and I always find it a curious thing to waste time doing. Again, it must stroke some particluar need. You are not alone on this board in doing this, but this is the first time someone has targeted one of my posts in that way (and it just happens to be you).

I have asked other people who wrote similar statements as you did in response to duplicate posts to other posters to lay off also. If they used sarcasm. Again, no problem merely pointing it out, but if you add sarcasm, then there is a problem with you. I mean, show me the sin for crying out loud? Shouldn't we save all of our activism to combat our common enemies, not waste it and create ill will among those who share some of our most cherished beliefs?

As you are free to respond, so am I free to respond to you. You never read a statement from me telling you not to post; I do recall telling you that I did not appreciate your sarcastic post. Afterall, you can post anything you want to whatever post you wish to respond to, but I can do the same, can't I? And I did.

56 posted on 07/13/2002 7:03:09 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: rdb3
This logic is unreasonable (no pun intended).

It is?

Where are you more free, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from noise and odors, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from traffic lights, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from perverts parading down your street, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from crime, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free to play loud music, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from contagious diseases and pollution, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from riot, mobs, civil unrest--in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free to dress as you please, to do as you please when you please--in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from traffic congestion and pollution, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free to smoke or to use a fireplace, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from liberal voters, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free from laws and regulation over every aspect of your life, in the city or in the country?

Where is there more gun control, in the city or in the country?

Where are there more taxes, in the city or in the country?

Where are you more free, in places packed with people stepping on each other's feet and voting for government regulation of life--or in the sparsely populated countryside?

57 posted on 07/13/2002 7:14:28 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: kjenerette
Katherine, I am well, but not tax-FRee! LOL!

IMHO, John Adams comment needs much wider dissemination -- I think it captures the essence of our Founding Father's intentions and aspirations for the USA. Glad you will include it in your history classes!

Dixie is just fine -- today was SC Chapter meeting. I don't have her report, yet.

FReegards.

58 posted on 07/13/2002 7:26:01 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Ahban
Patriotism without God is Fascism.

Belief in the occult is psychosis.

59 posted on 07/13/2002 8:00:51 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Iscool
You haven't been destitute yet

He's probably never been in a foxhole either ; )

FGS

60 posted on 07/13/2002 8:10:41 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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