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Ontario must approve same-sex marriages, judge rules
The Globe and Mail (Canada) | 7/12/02 | ALLISON DUNFIELD

Posted on 07/12/2002 8:55:25 AM PDT by jalisco555

The Ontario Supreme Court said in a landmark decision Friday that same-sex marriages between couples must be registered by the provincial government.

A three-judge panel made the ruling Friday morning in the decision, expected to have ramifications across Canada.

In January, 2001, Rev. Brent Hawkes of the Metropolitan Community Church married two gay couples in front of an audience of 600 people.

However, the city refused to register the two marriages.

Friday's court ruling as a result of a challenge by the Metropolitan Community Church was joined with another constitutional challenge by eight gay couples who have been unable to obtain marriage licences despite going through religious marriage ceremonies.

The couples asked the court to find that governments' refusal to register their marriages violates several provisions of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including equality rights, freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and religion and security of the person, defined as psychological well-being.

Gay couples say they desire to have their marriages made official by certificates.

"We're no longer second-class citizens in this country and the time has come for change. My relationship is validated and nobody can say we're not a real family any more," said Joe Varnell, who sued the provincial government for the right to marry another man after the decision.

As soon as the decision was released, Mr. Varnell and his partner, Kevin Bourassa, shared a celebratory kiss and cried tears of joy.

Mr. Hawkes is expected to speak to the decision around noon along with a number of gay and lesbian rights groups and his lead counsel.


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KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; homosexuality; marriage; samesexmarriage
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I'm not a lawyer but it's my understanding that by treaty marriages legally performed in one country are valid in all. I believe this may offer American gays a pathway to legal, same-sex marriage. Does anyone more knowledgable than I am have any more info on this?
1 posted on 07/12/2002 8:55:25 AM PDT by jalisco555
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To: Khepera; erizona; FormerLib
The commies in the north strike again.
2 posted on 07/12/2002 9:00:29 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: jalisco555
I think states are allowed not to recognize foreign marriages if they are "against public policy," such as marriages in countries that allow poligamy.
3 posted on 07/12/2002 9:02:16 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: jalisco555
My relationship is validated and nobody can say we're not a real family any more,

First honest statement I heard a gay make on this topic. This isn't about health benefits or getting into hospitals when a loved one is sick, this is about validation.

However, the state doesn't validate relationships, society does. So far most of society isn't going to give them what they desire and they will still be miserable.

4 posted on 07/12/2002 9:02:31 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: jalisco555
Rev. Brent Hawkes of the Metropolitan Community Church married two gay couples

This "man of God" must have got his licence off the internet for a $1. They don't require knowledge of the Bible, just a valid credit card number.

The couples asked the court to find that governments' refusal to register their marriages violates several provisions of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including equality rights, freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and religion and security of the person, defined as psychological well-being.

And asked that the Christian section ( who has to live there amoung the sodomites, i'e., Soddam and Gamorrah ), of the city become null and void.

Mr. Hawkes is expected to speak to the decision around noon along with a number of gay and lesbian rights groups and his lead counsel.

If this passes, let's hope all the U.S. sodomites move to Canada. America would be surely blessed.

5 posted on 07/12/2002 9:05:03 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: jalisco555
Not true.

Full faith and credit would not be valid in this situation.

If you wish to have another example, consider the multiple wife scenario which is recognized in other parts of the world but not here.
6 posted on 07/12/2002 9:07:34 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: concerned about politics
The MCC is a homosexual church only.
7 posted on 07/12/2002 9:10:08 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: grlfrnd
The MCC is a homosexual church only.

Oh. He got his licence from the dark side of the internet. LOL

8 posted on 07/12/2002 9:11:34 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: VRWC_minion
this is about validation.

Good point. I'm coming to the realization that validation is objective numero uno for gays in general. It seems they need a thousand people screaming at them a thousand times a day: "You are OK!". I suspect it has to do partly with an underdeveloped maturity and partly with the violence you do to your own conscience getting involved in that stuff.

There is a profound psychological weakness in homosexual men, and it is extremely unbecoming. I didn't hear the martyrs whining about being "validated" by the Roman Empire.

9 posted on 07/12/2002 9:22:17 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud
Where in the Constitution Act, or the Charter of Rights or the Provincial Constitution did the Ontario Supremes find sanction for same sex marriage? As far as I know neither the Federal or the Ontario Parliament ever considered the issue. More judicial overreach.
10 posted on 07/12/2002 9:25:58 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Greeklawyer
If you wish to have another example, consider the multiple wife scenario which is recognized in other parts of the world but not here.

That's interesting. What happens if, say, a Saudi and his four wives come to America? Can wives 2-4 declare themselves single? Can they petition a court to do so? What happens to their children?

11 posted on 07/12/2002 9:26:23 AM PDT by jalisco555
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To: VRWC_minion
However, the state doesn't validate relationships

Apparently and sadly, it does now.

12 posted on 07/12/2002 9:27:27 AM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: goldstategop
Where in the Constitution Act, or the Charter of Rights or the Provincial Constitution did the Ontario Supremes find sanction for same sex marriage?

They're just getting set up for the reign of the anti-Christ. Nothing to worry about. Become PC- think 666.

13 posted on 07/12/2002 9:28:41 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Its just a matter of time before the U.S Supremes find there's a constitutional right for Adam and Steve to tie the knot at the altar.
14 posted on 07/12/2002 9:30:43 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: jalisco555
I'm likely to be a lone dissenter on this thread but here goes. I know Joe and Kevin personally (Joe used to work at my company...bright, hard working, friendly and nice person. Kevin as well. We actually postponed the go-live date of our e-commerce site so they could go on their "honeymoon" and we're a very large organization) and am genuinely happy for them. These guys are not flamboyant in-your-face folks in the least. They simply feel that after being in a committed relationship for many years they deserve the same status as a non-gay couple. They are not particularly political people but I can tell you this: they genuinely love each other and just want to spend their lives together and enjoy success in their careers. I wish them nothing but happiness and good health.

I know a lot of people here have a serious problem with gay "marriage" (and yes, I too wish we could find another term for it but who needs to play word games) and frankly, until I got to know these two I was less than comfortable with it as well. But you know something? It doesn't really affect my life or my family in the least, and if you all think about it, it really doesn't effect yours either. I know that some will feel this is a blow to "family values" and I respect the opinion, but think about it: whose family values? My family values were learned from my parents; namely, be a good person, work hard, respect others for who they are, believe in G-d and try to give something back to your community. I can't see how anything anyone else does should in any way counteract that.

This may be hard for people whose only exposure to gays has been pictures of guys dressed up like the Queen at a Pride parade, or some hideous left-wing activist that, face it, if they weren't gay would be trying to screw up society from some other front, but not all gays want to have a promiscuous lifestyle and get in people's faces. It appears some, and I know this to be the case with Joe and Kevin, had "family values" of committment and respect instilled in them by their families.

As for the Rev. Hawkes, my understanding is that he's been in a committed relationship for something like 15 years and has made church a place of worship and support for many who felt they had nowhere to go but felt a strong need to stay close to the church. He was also a major player in the process of turning Toronto's Pride Week into a non-political and relatively tame outdoor street party that attracts not only gays from across North America but also a huge cross section of Toronto's population. Hey, we get a short summer up here and will take just about any excuse to party outside,a nd Pride Week is now possibly the largest festival in town, matched probably only by our Carribean Caribana festival. Oh, and if you like gospel music you have to hear Hawkes' church choir...they can bring tears to your eyes.

Anyway, not to seem to be poking anyone in the eye, but I'm glad for Joe and Kevin. They've wanted to put this challenge behind them and just enjoy their lives together and I wish them all the best. Not the way I live, but hey, that's them and they deserve happiness too, IMHO.

Cherres for a good weekend, all!

15 posted on 07/12/2002 9:31:47 AM PDT by mitchbert
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To: mitchbert
As for the Rev. Hawkes, my understanding is that he's been in a committed relationship for something like 15 years and has made church a place of worship and support for many who felt they had nowhere to go but felt a strong need to stay close to the church.

They can "worship" all they want, but until they repent and change, God is not hearing them.

16 posted on 07/12/2002 9:37:01 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: mitchbert
they genuinely love each other

Sodomites confuse natural love and sex. They genuinely lust for one another. Read Romans 1.

17 posted on 07/12/2002 9:39:38 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: FreeTally
Perhaps, but I'll let Him make that decision when the time comes. After all, they are His children as well. Until then I'll continue to judge people more by their behavior than their proclivities.

Cheers.

18 posted on 07/12/2002 9:41:27 AM PDT by mitchbert
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To: concerned about politics
Sorry, my friend. But I know these people well, and in this case your blanket statement is wrong.
19 posted on 07/12/2002 9:42:30 AM PDT by mitchbert
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To: jalisco555
Soon, same-sex marriages between certain Sesame Street puppets will become legitimized. Or men and puppets... oh never mind.
20 posted on 07/12/2002 9:48:39 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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