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Mother Says Girl at Center of Pledge of Allegiance Fight Is No Atheist, Doesn't Mind Pledge
ap ^ | 7/11/02

Posted on 07/11/2002 6:32:36 PM PDT by knak

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - The 8-year-old girl whose father successfully sued to have the Pledge of Allegiance declared unconstitutional has no problem with reciting the pledge at school, her mother said Thursday.

"I was concerned that the American public would be led to believe that my daughter is an atheist or that she has been harmed by reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, including the words 'one nation under God,'" Sandra Banning said in a statement. "We are practicing Christians and are active in our church."

Banning never married Michael Newdow, the third-grader's father and the atheist behind the pledge lawsuit. She has full custody of the girl, which Newdow is challenging in court.

It was Banning's first public comment since the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with Newdow that the words "under God," inserted by Congress in 1954, make the pledge an unconstitutional endorsement of religion. The ruling has been put on hold pending appeals.

Banning, who has hired lawyers in part to explore intervening in the case, said she hopes her efforts will lead to a reversal of the ruling. She also said her daughter "expressed sadness" after the ruling.

In his lawsuit, Newdow argued that his daughter was "injured" by being forced to listen to others recite the pledge at the Elk Grove Unified School District.

He said Thursday that he has the right to determine how she is raised.

"I have a right to send my child to a public school without the government inculcating any religious beliefs," he said.

Newdow also said that taking an 8-year-old to church doesn't mean the girl is choosing to be religious - and at any rate, it doesn't matter what the child believes.

"The main thrust of this case is not my daughter, it's me," he said.

Some legal experts said the mother's revelation that the girl herself willingly recites the pledge in class could cast doubts on the legitimacy of the case.

Courts can only hear cases in which there is an injured party, and if there is no injury there is no grounds for a case, said Rory Little, a Hastings College of the Law professor who follows the 9th Circuit.

"The federal courts can't address anything unless it's a case of controversy," Little said. "You have to have injury."


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To: Kevin Curry
Here comes your rock back, right at your face.

I'll stand by what I said; he has no frame of reference to condemn this woman as some type of irredeemable trollup........

I would have no problem having this woman teach my child in a Sunday school class if she had repented and was not defending or justifying motherhood outside of marriage.

......and you gleaned this from where in the article?.......Tell me please.

21 posted on 07/11/2002 8:31:08 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Kevin Curry
Depsite his enormous love, he made sinners feel exquistely uncomfortable--especially those who were comfortable in their sins.

You tell me where it indicates that this woman is comfortable in her sin.......this woman had a child out of wedlock, and you make the assumption that nothing has changed in her life.

22 posted on 07/11/2002 8:33:22 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Are you judging me? Is that a rock in your hand?

It would be a rock to you. But I see that it is just a poorly framed retort.

Harmless. Heave away.

23 posted on 07/11/2002 8:34:10 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Heave away.

I'm heaving all right.

24 posted on 07/11/2002 8:36:33 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: ventana
Satan always lies, and is usually pious and sanctimonius, to boot. V's wife.

Yes. This has been an expression of evil, to be sure. May God influence Man to set things right.

25 posted on 07/11/2002 8:38:34 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Kevin Curry
I would have no problem having this woman teach my child in a Sunday school class if she had repented and was not defending or justifying motherhood outside of marriage.

.....and again, I CHALLENGE you to show where she has made any statement that is justifying or defending what you imply she is.

26 posted on 07/11/2002 8:40:23 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Kevin Curry
You know what I think Kevin.......those fellas that broke into your house have left you with a very bitter taste in your mouth.
27 posted on 07/11/2002 8:41:43 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
You're going nuts with your replies. I'm fortunate you really don't have rocks in your hands (only in your head). You would be a veritable rock-gatling gun. I pity anyone unfortunate to get caught in your nonjudgmental fussilade.
28 posted on 07/11/2002 8:44:10 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
How true-everything you said about Christ. He was awesome, indeed, way beyond awesome, in his ability to turn men and women from their vile ways. But Christ would NEVER ever, turn a faithful follower away from teaching his word in a modern day Sunday School...even if the teacher was unmarried and raising a child alone. Those judgements are left to man...but to God. And I know that Christ held true love in high esteem, and worried more about the HEART than the letter of the law, which is why he trapped, and shamed and angered the Pharisees to the point of their demanding his death. They were jealous of his popularity, his power, his knowledge and his insight. They feared him. But he loved them back...and asked for their forgiveness on the part of God the Father.
29 posted on 07/11/2002 8:46:05 PM PDT by Republic
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To: Kevin Curry
Sidestep the question, go ahead. Non-judgemental fusillade, indeed.

I ask you again, where do you infer that this woman is indicating that bearing a child out of wedlock is a good thing? That's three times now.

30 posted on 07/11/2002 8:46:33 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: maxwellp
I know the woman and child. The woman is not nutty.
31 posted on 07/11/2002 8:48:39 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Doesn't take long. :o'
32 posted on 07/11/2002 8:49:08 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: He Rides A White Horse
**I'm guessing it was after her relationship with Newdow. **

yep.

33 posted on 07/11/2002 8:49:40 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: maxwellp
I would not want a Sunday school teacher near my kid if she never married her daughter's father. Banning said "We are practicing Christians...". She sounds as nutty as he does.

Isn't it possible she converted after she had her child?

34 posted on 07/11/2002 8:50:02 PM PDT by Persuasion
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To: Persuasion
Ack! Read ALL posts before posting yourself!
*Whap*
35 posted on 07/11/2002 8:52:16 PM PDT by Persuasion
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To: Kevin Curry
The only sound I hear is that of breaking glass. The glass that formerly was your house.
36 posted on 07/11/2002 8:52:35 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Persuasion; Kevin Curry
Isn't it possible she converted after she had her child?

Only to some. Others think Christ was a liar, and couldn't possibly effect that sort of change.

37 posted on 07/11/2002 8:54:10 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Kevin Curry
I guess that rock I picked up and threw back at you knocked you unconscious. Pleasant dreams.
38 posted on 07/11/2002 8:55:44 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Republic
It would appear that Mr. Curry's Bible ommitted Christ accepting repentance with "Go, and sin no more." Thankfully, Mary Magdalene heard Him.
39 posted on 07/11/2002 8:56:00 PM PDT by Isadora Duncan
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To: homeschool mama; Kevin Curry
**I'm guessing it was after her relationship with Newdow. **

yep.

One would think that somebody like Mr Curry would have been smart enough to figure that one out. Very disappointing.

Mr Curry stupidly falls for AP propaganda trying to portray Ms Banning as the unprincipled hypocrit, Mr Newdow as the principled atheist.

40 posted on 07/11/2002 9:09:12 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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