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Scientific American threatens AiG : Demands immediate removal of Web rebuttal
AIG ^ | 2002/07/11 | AIG

Posted on 07/11/2002 9:44:50 AM PDT by ZGuy

The prominent magazine Scientific American thought it had finally discredited its nemesis—creationism—with a feature article listing ‘15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense’ (July 2002). Supposedly these were the fifteen best arguments that evolutionists could use to discredit the Bible’s account of Creation. (National Geographic TV also devoted a lengthy report to the article.)

Within 72 hours, Dr Jonathan Sarfati—a resident scientist at Answers in Genesis–Australia—had written a comprehensive, point-by-point critique of the magazine article and posted it on this Web site.

So Scientific American thought it would try to silence AiG with the threat of a lawsuit.

In an e-mail to Dr Sarfati, Scientific American accused him and AiG of infringing their copyright by reproducing the text of their article and an illustration. They said they were prepared to ‘settle the matter amicably’ provided that AiG immediately remove Dr Sarfati’s article from its Web site.

AiG’s international copyright attorney, however, informed Scientific American that their accusations are groundless and that AiG would not be removing the article. Dr Sarfati’s article had used an illustration of a bacterial flagellum, but it was drawn by an AiG artist years ago. AiG had also used the text of SA’s article, but in a way that is permissible under ‘fair use’ of copyrighted materials for public commentary. (AiG presented the text of the SA article, with Dr Sarfati’s comments interspersed in a different color, to avoid any accusations of misquoting or misrepresenting the author.)

Why the heavy-handed tactics? If AiG’s responses were not valid, why would Scientific American even care whether they remained in the public arena? One can only presume that Scientific American (and National Geographic) had the ‘wind taken out of their sails.’ Dr Sarfati convincingly showed that they offered nothing new to the debate and they displayed a glaring ignorance of creationist arguments. Their legal maneuver appears to be an act of desperation. (AiG is still awaiting SA’s response to the decision not to pull the Web rebuttal.)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; crevolist; evolution
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To: Aric2000
To: berned

I have no interest in a rehash of the reformation. The Pope's most recent statement of evolution is here. Read it for yourself, and be sure to tell us all how John Paul II is not a Christian.

192 posted on 7/11/02 1:49 PM Pacific by Right Wing Professor

Quacks!

661 posted on 07/13/2002 10:43:57 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Aric2000
Try...1 800 evo-help---hot line!
662 posted on 07/13/2002 10:49:27 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
How about you call, 1800-help Im a schizo, maybe they can do a better job then the nuthouse you're in now.
663 posted on 07/13/2002 11:12:26 AM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
Is that like peeling your lips...squealing---going up and down shaking a tree branch?
664 posted on 07/13/2002 11:23:18 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Aric2000
A better analogy would be having piles of bricks, but no mortar or anything made of steel or anything like that. You could pile up bricks till the cows came home but, past some point, they'd just fall over again and all you'd ever have no matter how long you did it was piles of bricks. You'd never have a skyscraper. That's the real analogy for microevolution and macroevolution. That's what the scientists doing the fruit fly experiments saw.
665 posted on 07/13/2002 11:28:35 AM PDT by medved
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To: f.Christian
No F. Christian, that was your great to the some power grandfather who did that. same as mine. Yep, you are a monkeys cousin, far removed, but still a cousin!! LOL Just like me, kinda hard for you to take huh?
666 posted on 07/13/2002 11:28:49 AM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
Yeah...fruits of the loom---jungle!
667 posted on 07/13/2002 11:31:36 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Aric2000
Main Entry: 1die
Pronunciation: 'dI
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): died; dy·ing /'dI-i[ng]/
Etymology: Middle English dien, from or akin to Old Norse deyja to die; akin to Old High German touwen to die
Date: 12th century
1 : to pass from physical life : EXPIRE
2 a : to pass out of existence : CEASE b : to disappear or subside gradually -- often used with away, down, or out
3 a : SINK, LANGUISH b : to long keenly or desperately c : to be overwhelmed by emotion
4 a : to cease functioning : STOP b : to end in failure
5 : to become indifferent - die hard 1 : to be long in dying
2 : to continue resistance against hopeless odds
- die on the vine : to fail especially at an early stage through lack of support or enthusiasm
668 posted on 07/13/2002 11:48:41 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Aric2000
Interesting analogy, but nature will need to construct the building, not you.
669 posted on 07/13/2002 11:50:14 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Aric2000
Is that your final answer...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm----bbbbbbzzzzzztttt!
670 posted on 07/13/2002 12:03:00 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Aric2000; All
bttt
671 posted on 07/13/2002 12:13:40 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Aric2000
"After studying religion, science, etc, I found that common sense tells me that science, grounded in facts, is much more reliable then religion based on ancient writings."

So why is it that science reevaluates it's hypotheses so often? Science seems riddled with mistakes imho. In the last week here at FR:
Is the Universe older than expected?

"One possible explanation is that something is wrong with the way astronomers measure the age of objects in the Universe."

Missing-link fossil wasn't a fish -- it has a pelvis

"A fossil previously mistaken for the remains of an extinct fish turns out to . . ."

I've read the Nag Hammadi scrolls and all that you use as "evidence" that you know what you are talking about. I'll answer all your questions about thrology as soon as you admit that science is what actually evolves as new knowledge proves old "facts" wrong, time and time again.

672 posted on 07/13/2002 12:19:16 PM PDT by Drumbo
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To: Heartlander
A moving, if sad post.
673 posted on 07/13/2002 12:34:37 PM PDT by Aedammair
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To: Aedammair
Likewise, excluding the 'moving' part.
674 posted on 07/13/2002 12:41:29 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
I'm really enjoying the confab between you and Dimensio (sp?). I'm learning a lot, but it's also making my hair hurt.

I've always lacked the intellect to be able to rule evolution totally out or totally in. I do believe in God, but I don't presume to know what his creative capacity or proclivity is. And I certainly cannot put my faith in interpreters of the Word. Most especially as they interpret in a language twice removed from the orginal text. My total lack of faith in their intellect spans the entire denominational network.

675 posted on 07/13/2002 12:46:50 PM PDT by Aedammair
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To: Aedammair
I might have misunderstood you. If so, I apologize.
676 posted on 07/13/2002 12:49:07 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Aedammair
From the Christian standpoint, I’ve always felt that the ‘truth’ is inside us all. It was put there by our author and it is up to us to find it for ourselves.
677 posted on 07/13/2002 12:55:08 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
You did misunderstand me and apology accepted (although, I'm not sure it was necessary, you didn't insult me after all). But I'm wondering how you could have misinterpreted my post. It was so honest and succinct what made you read negativity or sarcasm into it?
678 posted on 07/13/2002 12:57:26 PM PDT by Aedammair
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To: Heartlander
I totally agree.
679 posted on 07/13/2002 12:58:16 PM PDT by Aedammair
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To: Aric2000
Here is a more appropriate analogy for you I believe:
Life is just an ‘intelligent fire’ that has been acted upon by nature for such a long period of time that it no longer requires the normal chemical bonding affinitives. It is still a fire but now it is able to choose what it consumes and travel with the supplies necessary for it’s survival. It is just a freak of nature that will eventually burn out without purpose.

A little spark started, it spread, became intelligent, and will eventually just burn out.

This is the analogy that a few of my atheist friends feel comfortable with… we discuss it while I beat them in darts.

680 posted on 07/13/2002 1:13:19 PM PDT by Heartlander
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