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Analyst Warns of Cultural Trend Toward Pedophilia
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 7/11/02 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 07/11/2002 3:23:12 AM PDT by kattracks

Washington (CNSNews.com) - A trend toward normalizing pedophilia is the latest manifestation of a dangerous understanding of human sexuality that has come to be more widely held over the last 30 years, a leading analyst of cultural trends said Wednesday.

To reverse the trend, which poses a serious challenge to contemporary cultural conservatism, Americans must return to conservative sexual mores, Carson Holloway, a political science professor at the University of Nebraska, said at a symposium entitled "From Playboy to Pedophilia: How Adult Sexual Liberation Leads to Children's Sexual Exploitation," hosted by the Family Research Council.

In a relatively short time, American has gone from a society that Alexis de Tocqueville, speaking 150 years ago, said observed stricter sexual standards than any other country, to one in which casual sex is depicted with approval in prime time television.

A great gulf now separates pre-1960s Tocquevillian America from the present sexually liberationist ethos, Holloway said.

The change in sexual thinking and behavior was brought about by sexual liberationists' rhetorical emphasis on the autonomy of "consenting adults," and the triumph of the notion that anything sexual is morally permissible so long as it takes place between consenting adults, Holloway said.

By insisting that there can be nothing objectionable about any sexual act that takes place between consenting adults, sexual liberationists deny there is a moral nature of sex, he said.

Similarly, the defense of pedophilia is repeatedly made on the basis that relations can be voluntary and that the young, who are more worldly-wise than previous generations, can in some cases be the instigators of sexual activity with adults, Holloway said.

These social and cultural trends also are reflected in landmark legal decisions, he said.

In April, the Supreme Court struck down a law that prohibited the distribution and possession of virtual child pornography that appears to depict real children.

"Reading the court's opinion, I was struck by the extent to which the members of the majority at least don't seem to live in the same moral universe as many of the rest of us," Holloway said.

"We learn, for example, there's a distinction between the indecent and the obscene, that pornography is not necessarily obscene and indeed that child pornography is not necessarily obscenity," he added.

With its decision, the court put materials that foster pedophile fantasies in the realm of constitutionally protected speech, Holloway noted.

The federal statute, which was enacted in 1996, had banned a range of techniques, including computer-generated images and the use of youthful-looking adults, which were designed to convey the impression of minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

The court ruled, however, that non-obscene child pornography can be banned if it's produced using real children. Such material, the court holds, does not have constitutional protection because of the state's compelling interest in preventing the harm to children caused by their sexual exploitation, Holloway said.

"Thus the court seems to share the conventional view that the introduction of minors to sexual intercourse is wrong or abusive," Holloway said.

The justices also made it almost impossible to punish anything as obscenity, Holloway noted. The court ruled that the federal statute prohibiting virtual child pornography didn't take into account that for something to be considered obscene, it has to appeal primarily to the prurient interest, violate community standards, and be void of social, scientific, political or cultural value.

"What that comes down to is, if anything has the slightest sliver of culturally or socially redeeming value, then it can't be judged obscene, even if it's pure pornography from start to finish. And I think that's effectively emasculating any kind of laws against obscenity," Holloway said.

"It seems to me that any pornographic movie in which there's even one line of conversation could be redeemed on that basis," he added.


The cultural reaction to the behavior of President Clinton, who had sex with White House intern Monica Lewinsky, also demonstrated a change in Americans' attitudes toward sex, and a trend towards more promiscuous sexual activity among young people, analysts at the seminar noted.

"Clearly Americans disapproved of what Bill Clinton had done, but they didn't disapprove of it enough to want to get rid of him," Holloway said, in response to questions.

People objected to Clinton's lying and tampering with the administration of justice, but not to his sexual behavior, he said.

Holloway said there was a connection between the legitimization of homosexuality and the acceptance of President Clinton's sexual behavior. Interviews with "the man on the street" revealed that people believed Clinton did "what any man would have done."

"Well, if that's your moral attitude toward sex, then there's nothing wrong with anything any homosexual does either. It's hard to see a principled objection to what homosexuals do if what Bill Clinton does is just okay," he said.

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To: GreenEggsHam
Brush up on YOUR reading skills. I said Dem voters were the very wealthy and the very poor. Pubbies are the middle class. In NJ that is certainly the case. Pubbies are the gun owning blue collar workers. Dims are either welfare stooges or beemer driving dweebs with PhD's from Columbia.
81 posted on 07/11/2002 12:43:03 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
IT? Yes, It. Unless 'GreenEggsHam' has some sort of gender not apparent from the name? Until that time you will be an 'it'.
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IT thinks this is a BS copout, BA, and that you were purposely referring to IT as IT rather than "they", "this person", or better yet "GreenEggsHam" to denote that IT isn't human. tsk tsk
82 posted on 07/11/2002 12:43:34 PM PDT by GreenEggsHam
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To: Black Agnes
But you did ask to prove a negative. There is NO way ANY study can EVER prove something doesn't have a cause/effect. NADA. Anybody with a *genuine* science/technology background would realize that immediately. Either you aren't a real scientist/technologist or your education was sub par. You can never prove a negative. Ever. Any wibbling on this subject makes me think you share more than a few ideals with the Green Lefties.
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No, I didn't. I said "I would be more interested in seeing a study that states that growth hormones do not cause cancer." What I did not say is "WIMom prove to me that growth hormones do not cause cancer". I have already posted that your point about proving a negative was well taken. But you don't seem to be satisfied with that, or your reading/comprehension skills are so poor that it makes me think you're not a real conservative or your education was sub par. Any wibbling on this subject makes me think you share more than a few ideals with the Green Lefties.
83 posted on 07/11/2002 12:46:58 PM PDT by GreenEggsHam
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To: GreenEggsHam
GreenEggsHam is human? Eggs are Ova. You didn't specify a species. Ham is sus scrofa unless made from something other than pig. If you'd wanted to be perceived 'human' you'd have picked a human nom du guerre
84 posted on 07/11/2002 12:47:40 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: GreenEggsHam
Neither WIMom nor any human alive can prove 'that growth hormones do not cause cancer'. "." Doesn't matter who you were addressing...
85 posted on 07/11/2002 12:48:55 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: FatherTorque
You realize that I will now be stuck with this picture of him from now on don't you. :)

This looks like a job for the Green Lantern . . . !

86 posted on 07/11/2002 12:49:25 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Black Agnes
Brush up on YOUR reading skills. I said Dem voters were the very wealthy and the very poor. Pubbies are the middle class. In NJ that is certainly the case. Pubbies are the gun owning blue collar workers. Dims are either welfare stooges or beemer driving dweebs with PhD's from Columbia.
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There were several people contributing to that thread yesterday, certainly I should not be expected to memorize every post by every member. However, despite the fact that this is waaaay past boring, tedious, offensive and annoying, I shall humor you and go back to find the post to which I'm referring. Hang five.
87 posted on 07/11/2002 12:50:02 PM PDT by GreenEggsHam
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To: Xenalyte
You, sir, are a poet. Were I wearing a hat, I'd doff it to you.

Thanks. Were I not afraid of getting punched in the snout, I'd ask you to email me a few pix. You sure don't fit the techwriter mode (lascivious grin) . . .

88 posted on 07/11/2002 12:50:54 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Black Agnes
GreenEggsHam is human? Eggs are Ova. You didn't specify a species. Ham is sus scrofa unless made from something other than pig. If you'd wanted to be perceived 'human' you'd have picked a human nom du guerre
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Green Eggs and Ham is a well known children's book, BA. Are you actually dense or just pretending?
89 posted on 07/11/2002 12:51:51 PM PDT by GreenEggsHam
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To: kattracks
ALL of those people thatsaid "Leave Clinton alone, my Stock Portfolio is GREAT"!....well, THEY are the reason the market has tanked.....and THEY AND us have lost oodles of money.

90 posted on 07/11/2002 12:52:43 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Black Agnes
Neither WIMom nor any human alive can prove 'that growth hormones do not cause cancer'. "." Doesn't matter who you were addressing...
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Black Agnes: Calm down and read carefully while I repeat myself for the third time. Your point above is correct. I have acknowledged this twice before and do so again this very moment. There is no further need to demonstrate that you are correct on this matter. Please let me know if I have not made myself perfectly clear on this point.
91 posted on 07/11/2002 12:53:36 PM PDT by GreenEggsHam
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To: truenospinzone
I do not need this, I've got a masters degree in folklore mythology.
92 posted on 07/11/2002 12:56:28 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Black Agnes
To: RightWhale

Seeing as how Democrats are the rich people and Republicans aren't, seems like the Rats would be losing more $$$ than other groups at the moment.

Also, black is white and up is down.


23 posted on 7/10/02 1:01 PM Pacific by Belial
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The original post I asked for stats on is listed above. As you can see, I was not the only one who questioned it, Belial (whoever THEY are) seemed to disagree with the statement. I didn't. I just hadn't heard someone say that before and so I asked for the source.
93 posted on 07/11/2002 12:59:20 PM PDT by GreenEggsHam
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To: Xenalyte
OK, now we'll all be tagged as perverts for fantasizing about you fighting Kevin Curry while trapped in a giant plastic comic book envelope. Finally, he falls in the molten Lexan... "Best. Death. Ever."
94 posted on 07/11/2002 1:03:21 PM PDT by eno_
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To: WIMom
Sounds like the growth hormone "issue" is a bunch of enviro-nazi BS. Some time ago there was a Frontline show on how environmental effects of plastics were causing boys to be less masculine (i.e. smaller genitals, lower sperm counts).
95 posted on 07/11/2002 1:11:47 PM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: GreenEggsHam
From the links you posted:

Coming of Age in America (Much Too Soon)

"Girls in the U.S. and other industrialized nations are now reaching puberty at drastically earlier ages."

"Two factors proven responsible for precocious puberty are detached parenting 3 and consumption of cow's milk."

The article then expounds the hispanic vs US differences. No where does it mention at what this drastic age is or the percent affected. Rather, this article is about how bad cow's milk is for infants.

This next article is copied completely. Lot's of solid, concrete information we can sink our teeth into.

EARLY PUBERTY LINKED TO HORMONES?

The average age for North American girls to begin mensturation is 12, compared with 14 in 1900, and some scientists believe that change may be linked to use of growth hormones in beef. ''There is no other reason to explain it,'' says Carlos Sonnenschein (anatomy and cellular biology), adding that ''the length and amount of exposure to estrogens (a class of hormones) is one of the most significant risk factors in breast carcinogenesis.'' (Canadian Press)

Consumer Concerns About Hormones in Food

Early puberty in girls has been found to be associated with a higher risk for breast cancer. Height, weight, diet, exercise, and family history have all been found to influence age of puberty (see BCERF Fact Sheet #8, Childhood Life Events and the Risk of Breast Cancer). Steroid hormones in food were suspected to cause early puberty in girls in some reports. However, exposure to higher than natural levels of steroid hormones through hormone-treated meat or poultry has never been documented. Large epidemiological studies have not been done to see whether or not early puberty in developing girls is associated with having eaten growth hormone-treated foods.

Not much more to add.

96 posted on 07/11/2002 1:40:59 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: USMMA_83
I'm not involved in food industry at all. Unless you count being a cheesehead. I am in manufacturing though and use statistical and analytical data every day.
97 posted on 07/11/2002 1:45:36 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: Black Agnes
Thanks, kind of figured that, by your post #72 as well. Let's talk anwar or spotted owls. :-)
98 posted on 07/11/2002 2:00:29 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: WIMom
"Two factors proven responsible for precocious puberty are detached parenting 3 and consumption of cow's milk."


The article then expounds the hispanic vs US differences. No where does it mention at what this drastic age is or the percent affected. Rather, this article is about how bad cow's milk is for infants.


Any hormones administered to cow's would be passed through their milk just as most drugs we take are passed through our breastmilk.
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This next article is copied completely. Lot's of solid, concrete information we can sink our teeth into.
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I found it a little wanting to, but included it because it is medical journal type info as opposed to environmental propaganda.
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Not much more to add.
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In addition to what you pointed out, there points in those articles that did provide a support for my point, such as:

"Cow's milk has a high fat content, high levels of biologically available hormones and growth factors, and other chemical contaminants from highly medicated cows fed environmental trash12 (chicken feces and diseased carcasses, for instance). These are all linked to early puberty and proliferation of cancer cells in human reproductive organs.13,14,15 Moreover, immune reactions to large bovine proteins are associated with gastrointestinal disease16 and cancer.17,18 When consumption of cow's milk starts in infancy (via baby formulas), the consequences seem to be the most dire.19"

but it's looking to me like we're going to have to agree to disagree.




99 posted on 07/11/2002 2:01:23 PM PDT by GreenEggsHam
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To: WIMom
Sure thing. !
100 posted on 07/11/2002 2:07:12 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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