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Critics of new flag heckle governor on campaign trail
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 09 June 2002 | Jim Galloway

Posted on 07/09/2002 7:56:50 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

Jekyll Island -- For two hours, the protesters waited in the sweltering heat, with little shade except that cast by a small forest of old state banners with the Confederate battle emblem.

As noon approached, a dark SUV escaped the nearby resort hotel and breezed by the dockside parking lot. It was what they'd been waiting for, and a handful rushed to the rope that separated them.

"Boo!"

"Traitor!"

Gov. Roy Barnes had been "flagged." Again.

For more than a year, this dogged band of protesters, connected by the Internet, has greeted the governor at nearly every public event in which he's participated.

The flaggings, as they're called, have become a ritual of the campaign season. Barnes hasn't been the only target. Members of the Legislature have had flags waved in their direction, too.

But it's the governor who knows many of the participants well enough to call them by name. "I wave at them," he said.

In January 2001, in a lightning maneuver, Barnes pushed through the Legislature a new state flag, one in which the Confederate emblem was shrunk to an eye-straining rectangle.

Ever since, strategists of all stripes have predicted that the issue would play a significant role in the governor's bid for re-election. Every Southern governor who has fiddled with such symbolism has run into trouble. And some experts say the new banner could still be a factor in the Georgia race.

But even "flaggers" concede that their cause has blurred over the past 18 months, complicated by the realities of Georgia's political calculus, changes within the state itself -- and by the events of Sept. 11.

"The truth of the matter is, we only have one flag. It's the flag of the United States of America. I believe I'll stick with it," Barnes said just before he left the Jekyll Island meeting of the Georgia Press Association last month.

The sound bite was fashioned spontaneously by the governor days after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the months since, it has been found to work well with focus groups.

Just before Barnes spoke at the island conference, his Republican challengers sat on the same stage. All three favor a statewide referendum on the flag issue.

But none of them has advocated a return to the old flag. One, Bill Byrne, has called the old flag a "divisive symbol." He prefers the version that flew over the state Capitol before the battle emblem was added in 1956.

The news didn't go over well with the protesters outside.

"We would prefer a candidate that would be in favor of going back to the old flag," said Jack Lipthratt, 47, of Brunswick.

GOP keeps its distance|

While quite willing to flirt with the flag issue as an example of Barnes' "dictatorial" style, Republicans can't afford to embrace the flaggers too tightly.

"They want them on the bus, without driving the bus," said Merle Black, a political scientist at Emory University.

To put the GOP squarely behind Confederate symbolism "would be the worst thing the Republican Party could do," Black said. It would drive up African-American turnout in the general election, which would overwhelmingly benefit the Democratic Barnes, Black said. The gain for Republicans among white voters would be minimal, he said.

Generally, Republicans and Democrats agree on who flaggers are: Georgians who were comfortable with the South of years past, not with the one that creeps up on them today. They make up 5 percent to 10 percent of the voting population. And they are mostly white, middle-aged and male.

"A lot of the young people have given up and dropped out," said Lipthratt.

The Jekyll Island protesters numbered a dozen. One man wore a T-shirt that listed Barnes and every lawmaker who voted to change the flag. A woman wore a dress fashioned of the Confederate battle emblem.

Only two of their number voted for Barnes in 1998. In fact, Barnes strategists are counting on the fact that most of those Georgians angry with the governor over the flag wouldn't have voted for him anyway.

Kipp Pittman, 44, of Willacoochee in South Georgia, said he and his fellow protesters are trying to change that, by engaging in voter registration and encouraging lax voters to turn out. "It's going to bring in new people. That's what we're really hoping for," he said.

Perhaps for that reason, the Barnes campaign wants to avoid any escalation. The campaign contacts the State Patrol or local police and urges them to avoid confrontation. All events have been peaceful. The demonstrators say they're eager to stay within the law.

Atlanta vs. Georgia?|

Flaggings are loosely coordinated by members of three groups: the Southern Party, various chapters of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the League of the South.

Bradford Isbell, a Griffin-area resident, is state chairman of the Southern Party. Isbell said anger over the flag change was set aside after Sept. 11. But it has rebounded, if hits on the group's Web site are any measure, he said.

Even so, there is a geographical difference in how the issue is received. "You can almost divide the state into two sections: Atlanta and the rest of Georgia," Isbell said. Slightly more than half the state's votes are in metro Atlanta's 18 counties.

One group has instituted something called Project Wave -- offering a 24-foot pole and the old flag for $33. Nearly 600 have been sold, mostly to Georgians in rural and exurban areas.

It is in vote-rich suburban Atlanta that lines begin to blur for flaggers. In mid-May, state Sen. Charles Tanksley, a Cobb County Republican and a former law partner of the governor's, was flagged for his vote to change the flag.

Seven or eight protesters had ventured into the Galleria area in southeast Cobb County, where Tanksley was holding a $500-a-head fund-raiser at the Georgian Club. The protesters were asked to leave, and they moved to the corner of U.S. 41 and Akers Mill Road.

Twenty years ago, nearly two-thirds of metro Atlanta residents were originally from Georgia. Native Georgians now number less than half. Likewise, there was a time when the Chattahoochee River served as a racial boundary. But no more.

The protesters waving the old flag and Confederate banners on U.S. 41 were in what is now Democratic territory. African-Americans and Hispanics make up a large part of the community.

Most passers-by were polite, but quite a few -- perhaps three in 10, demonstrators said -- shouted obscenities or offered middle-finger salutes.

One of the props devised by demonstrators was a black mannequin with a fuzzy wig, set in a trash can. It was a reference to Jesse Jackson. In 2000, he and other civil rights leaders agreed to put off an economic boycott of Georgia for a year while state leaders worked out the decision to change the flag.

The reference was lost on spectators who saw nothing but the mannequin beneath Confederate battle emblems.

The manager of a clothing store on the same corner called the police to have the demonstrators removed. But by the time the cops arrived, the protest was over. It was 7 p.m., time to go home.

Weeks later, it was announced the mannequin had been retired. Even flaggers have to be careful of the symbols they wield.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: confederateflag; dixielist; flagging; ga; kingroy
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To: NationUnderGod
We all, post 9/11 support AMERICA and AMERICANS

Got that right! None stronger than proud Southrons [><]

41 posted on 07/09/2002 9:42:41 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: NationUnderGod
F..U!
42 posted on 07/09/2002 9:46:59 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ned
That sounds sensible. It has been the tradition in Georgia has been to change the state flag every few decades. I think that the current flag is the seventh state flag since the Civil War.

I notice the Confederate battle flag wasn't added until 1956. What was the reason?

43 posted on 07/09/2002 9:47:40 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Vladiator
Even though outnumbered in all things military, the South inflicted over 100,000 more deaths than the Union. You would know that if you ever read a fricken history book.
44 posted on 07/09/2002 9:48:55 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Constitution Day
You know as well as I do that when it comes to public debate and public opinion on the confederate flag that the vast majority Americans are ill educated on the subject. They run 100% on emotions and knee-jerks. And blindly associate the Confederate Flag with the Klan and hate groups.

In the battle of state flags and flying the confederate flag at confederate monuments, the charge of educating the public about the flag needs to be taken up by supporters of the flag in a major fashion.

While its not pretty, it is accurate. PERCEPTION and emotion drive the division and debate surrounding the Confederate Flag. Not facts and logic. That is the truth and the truth must be dealt with when fighting this battle.

45 posted on 07/09/2002 9:49:23 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: billbears
Please excuse NationUnderGod - he has never heard of Edgerton, W.Williams, or Winbush. N.U.G. has probably never attended a UDC or SCV sponsored event - if he had, he would know there are many black Southerners who support the South. We've covered the topic many times on FR.
46 posted on 07/09/2002 9:50:06 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Phantom Lord
I have a big US Flag in front of my house and a big 'ole Rebel flag in the back. I dare some son of a bitch to come and tell me I can't be using that flag.
47 posted on 07/09/2002 9:50:58 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman
This was the Georgia state flag between 1906 and 1920:

That was a nice one, but it only lasted 14 years.

48 posted on 07/09/2002 9:51:24 AM PDT by ned
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To: NationUnderGod
It is a affront to millions of Americans.

and it's not an affront to millions of others.
whaaaaaa ....

49 posted on 07/09/2002 9:52:46 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: ohioman
You can fly it all you want. In fact, I would like someone to try and take it down to only get their ass kicked by ya.
50 posted on 07/09/2002 9:53:01 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Salman
notice the Confederate battle flag wasn't added until 1956. What was the reason?

Well, that's anybody's guess, I suppose. The important thing is the tradition to continually update the fashion.

51 posted on 07/09/2002 9:53:51 AM PDT by ned
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To: ned
The new flag is the ugliest of the 50 states, if not the world. It violates standard rules of banner design. Remember King Roy, called a secret session with only 15 minutes notice to change the state flag.

Funny thing is....the CBF is still there! Another failure for the NAACP (and King Roy)!

52 posted on 07/09/2002 9:54:17 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: NationUnderGod
Probably the most uninformed, uneducated and ridiculous post in the history of this forum.
53 posted on 07/09/2002 9:54:50 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: Phantom Lord
And that goes for the US Flag as well. It will always be out front, but I will not forgot my poor as hell kin who fought for the South in that awful war.
54 posted on 07/09/2002 9:56:15 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: NationUnderGod
NationUnderGod, member since 2002-07-06

'Nuff said.

55 posted on 07/09/2002 9:59:08 AM PDT by mhking
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To: stainlessbanner

Perhaps "King Roy" will be ousted in the next state election. Serves him right for becoming a PC whore.

56 posted on 07/09/2002 10:01:23 AM PDT by Colt .45
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To: NationUnderGod
Those who see that flag and are black Americans feel divided from their own cities who fly it.

Well, thanks a boatload for naming yourself to be my spokesman.

I'm one black American who is not intimidated to what amounts to a piece of cloth. I don't feel divided from anywhere...next?

57 posted on 07/09/2002 10:01:26 AM PDT by mhking
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To: stainlessbanner
Actually the GOP is distancing itself from the GA state flag issue.

Overall, that's a smart move - most people that the party is trying to reach, both black and white, feel that the flag should have been changed; and that those who continue to support the old flag are tilting at windmills.

I got no quarter with the old or new flag - there are much more important issues for the party to deal with here in Georgia.

58 posted on 07/09/2002 10:03:20 AM PDT by mhking
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To: stainlessbanner
The new flag is the ugliest of the 50 states, if not the world. It violates standard rules of banner design.

Well, that's the virtue of the tradition. Those who don't like the current flag can design the next one.

Try something different and maybe it'll catch on.

59 posted on 07/09/2002 10:04:11 AM PDT by ned
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To: flyervet
Actually, the Confederate battle emblem was added to the Georgia State Flag in direct response to the Brown v. BoE decision as a symbol of defiance against integration. Georgia should have gone back to the pre-56 flag, which would have honored both history and all Georgians.

The pre-56 flag would have been fine with me, and I'm suspecting fine with most people in Georgia. A large part of the problem is the way in which Barnes went about it. He got no input from the masses; on the contrary, he went to Tyrone Brooks (head of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, who himself was spearheading getting the flag changed in the first place) and a small handful of others to get this done. The General Assembly didn't even get to see the flag until the process was over and done with.

And never mind that none of us lowly serfs got to see it...

60 posted on 07/09/2002 10:07:21 AM PDT by mhking
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