Balkans tribunal turns to Clinton

Washington Times ^ | 7/08/02 | Jeffrey T. Kuhner

[Polybius]

He (Clinton) may be a total asshole, but he's our asshole. NO other nation/Global B.S. get's the reigns on this or anyhting else that deals with our citizens...unix

Yes. It is odd to think about but I must agree. Who would have ever thought I would find myself defending bill clinton from anyone? But he is indeed our asshole...carpio

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Clinton may be lower than whale sh*t at the bottom of the ocean but he is America's whale sh*t and no country but America has a right to judge him... Polybius

I wrote my reply before reading your posts.

Not only do we agree on the issue, it's amusing that each of us agrees on what bodily function best characterizes Bill Clinton. :-)

[Banat]

My point is that no-one can be allowed to be above the law. This is not to say that the U.S. has to abide by the international law, but if America chooses to ignore the international law (whatever it is), then every country MUST be allowed to do the same. On the other hand, if the U.S. wants all the world's countries to abide by the international law, then it should do the same and make an example of itself.

BOTTOM LINE: If the U.S. were to withdraw its soldiers from 60+ countries around the globe, no-one in D.C. would have to worry about US citizens/soldiers being put on trial. What the hell are they doing in 60+ countries?!?

No, I have never been a member of any anarchist group. I don't believe in 'memberships'.

[Banat]

And when exactly did Serbs 'attack' Croatia? Am I missing something?

[Banat]

However, given a choice between the Serbs trying to establish a Greater Serbia in Croatia and the Croats defending Croatia, I'll side with the Croats.

Greater Serbia?! LOL!

Dude, I really don't mean to be disrespecftul but you've gotta a looooooooong way to go to get into the Balkan 'loop'.

[Canuck1]

given a choice between the Serbs trying to establish a Greater Serbia in Croatia and the Croats defending Croatia, I'll side with the Croats.

You sure are up to speed on your anti-Serb propaganda.

The Krajina Serbs took up arms in 1991 not to establish a Greater Serbia but to resist being incorporated in what they understandably perceived to be a newly-created hostile state. The ultra-nationalist regime of Franjo Tudjman introduced Croatian symbols and laws that were last used by the Nazi-backed Ustatsha regime during WWII. As you might be aware, the Ustasha butchered hundreds of thousands of Serbs as part of their official policy: kill a third, expel a third and convert a third (to Catholicism).

[Voronin]

The investigation will be dismissed by hook or by crook, eventhough USN EA-6Bs flew EW and SEAD support for the Croatian forces. Still, I'd like to see several senior members of MPRI grilled publically and we may find out who 'owns' the enterprise. My bets are on the CIA (or more likely the DIA), as it matches the ethos of concentrating finances on core activities and contracting out other operations to apparently separate enterprises (Air America for example). This allows the CIA to claim plausible denial. I bet it started out as a CIA/DIA 'seed' company.

VRN

[aristeides]

True, it was a war crime, and the Clinton administration was actually involved in it. If the ICTY indicts Clinton and company, that will have multiple good effects: Clinton will be discredited; the U.S. government will see to it that nothing happens to Clinton and his accomplices; and these international tribunals will thereby be discredited.

Rich irony, since the Security Council resolution establishing the ICTY was drafted by the U.S., and obviously could not have passed the Security Council without U.S. (i.e., Clinton administration) support.

Unfortunately, I fear the ICTY will chicken out and not go after Clinton and his people, just as they chickened out over Kosovo back in '99.

[F-117A]

The United States provided military and technical assistance to Operation Storm in order to deliver a defeat to then-Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic's goal of forging an ethnically pure "Greater Serbia."

Jeffrey T. Kuhner should look at the demographics of Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, and Albania before he makes such an absurd statement. Serbia is far and away the most ethnically mixed.

[konijn]

Here you have it.

[Voronin]

Bigotry has no space for logic or fact.

VRN

[lodwick]

bttt

[2sheep]

Death on a Very Small planet ~ Comparison of Belgrade 1999 and New York 2001.

[A. Pole]

Cool. However, what happened in Krajina wasn't a "UN-backed peacekeeping effort". It was an attack on a largely defenceless population - a war crime.

That is correct. BTW the general leading this operation was Agim Ceku - future commander of KLA. . One quote from there:

The KPC was slated by the United Nations to become --in the words of UNMIK Special Representative Bernard Kouchner "a civilian, disciplined, uniformed and multi-ethnic emergency response... with a mandate to "providing humanitarian assistance... and contributing to rebuilding infrastructure and communities...." Shift in military labels. KLA Commander Agim Ceku was appointed Chief of Staff of Kosovo’s newly created Armed Forces. In the words of Bernard Kouchner during the inauguration ceremony: I look to him [Agim Ceku] to lead the new members of the Corps in the footsteps of Cincinnatus, the model citizen-soldier of ancient Rome -- who left his plow standing in the field to answer the call to arms & and at the end of the war refused all honors in order to return to his civic duties.

[A. Pole]

There were no saints on any side of the Yugoslav wars. However, given a choice between the Serbs trying to establish a Greater Serbia in Croatia and the Croats defending Croatia, I'll side with the Croats.

Kraina was Serbian for centuries. The reason why it was in Croatian republic is because Communists drew the borders that way. Expelling Serbs from Kraina was a land grab.

[Andy from Beaverton]

You must be reading the same history books as A(lbanian)Brit. Tudjman always considered Bosnia and Herzegovina an appendage of Croatia. You may be right that the Croats only wanted to defend Croatia, but their map of Croatia included all of Bosnia. Another reason to prefer the Serbs over the Croats is the fact that the Croats supported the Nazis.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I agree. No US President (no matter how rotten) should be subject to an international tribunal by World Government.

This sets a precedent, and the next time they may be calling for President George W. Bush or President Tom Tancredo's head for some perceived wrongdoing. We don't need this.

[Don asbestos suit]......

[small voice in the wilderness]

Besides Mr. Clinton, others named in the complaint are former National Security Adviser Anthony Lake, former Deputy National Security Adviser Samuel Berger, Ambassador Richard Holbrooke and former U.S. Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith.

Yeah, but just look at this treasure trove of as**oles! I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that clinton is one of us. I know, I know, but...JEEZ. And throw in a couple more, like albright and gore and carville, just for good measure, and...it's like having to choose between death by hanging or stoning. Are you sure we can't... just this once...

[agrandis]

It seems our government can dish out "international justice" but we can't take it. I'm all for keeping the US out of any international courts, but I question our motives for doing so. If we are going to play Corrupt Policeman of the World, we can't expect to justly exempt ourselves from accountability.

BTW, this is so typically Clinton: be the ring-leader of dire crimes, then back away and let someone else hang for it. I support Bush's resistance to the IC, but he needs to stop supporting Muslim thugs in the Balkans, and apologize to the Serb people for what we did to them under Clinton.

[agrandis]

If we are going to go around commiting war crimes in the name of interntional justice, we have no right to exempt ourselves from these kangaroo courts. These International Tribunals are monsters that WE were instrumental in creating. If they turn around and bite us, who do we have to blame?

[agrandis]

Banat said

However, what happened in Krajina wasn't a "UN-backed peacekeeping effort". It was an attack on a largely defenceless population - a war crime. America shouldn't be exempted when it comes to answering for mass-slaughter like 'Operation Storm'. If it weren't for the U.S., those crimes would've never happened. Under the tutelage of the MPRI, the Croats attacked Krajina and expelled half a million Serbs who had lived there for 5 centuries. They received U.S. Air Force support and some of the U.S. politicians present in Croatia at the time even rode around atop the Croatian tanks.

And your response is "...and your point is what?"

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