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1 posted on 07/07/2002 8:26:58 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
I'll assume the title should be "military" vice "Army".

This isn't a bad move at all.
2 posted on 07/07/2002 8:31:27 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: InvisibleChurch
When I was in the military, I had a problem with the fact that non citizens were serving, and didn't get citizenship for their service.
3 posted on 07/07/2002 8:36:46 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: InvisibleChurch
The policy is now the way it should be
4 posted on 07/07/2002 8:40:29 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: InvisibleChurch
I'd have two requirements, however.

1) They should have to have a basic command of English. This would be a military necessity, so this may already be a requirement.

2) They should not be allowed to have dual citizenship: Their loyalties should not be divided.
5 posted on 07/07/2002 8:42:24 PM PDT by RonF
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To: InvisibleChurch
This isn't what the article is titled. You put your own spin on it. You are aware, aren't you, that this is against FR rules? I've pushed the ABUSE button on you and asked them to change the title to the correct one.

The article ISN'T about what you say it is. People who are legal immigrants have ALWAYS been able to join the armed services. Many of them have fought and DIED for this country. Your small-minded bigoted slap at people like my step-father is just inexcusable.

Go crawl back under that rock with the rest of your Invisible(Christian Identity)Church.

6 posted on 07/07/2002 8:44:38 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: InvisibleChurch; Victoria Delsoul; harpseal; Travis McGee; MaeWest; PoorMuttly; Snow Bunny; onyx; ..
In a July Fourth speech to troops in West Virginia, Bush announced that he had signed an executive order making it immediately possible for 15,000 soldiers to become citizens. All of those who qualify are already legal permanent residents...

Nelson Reyes, head of the Central American Refugee Center, an immigrant group that helps immigrants living in southwest Houston, called Bush's move a "show of good will," but he called on the president to go further by helping those immigrants who can't get into the military. By the time they qualify to enlist in the Army, immigrants have already overcome their most difficult legal hurdles.

Foreigners are allowed in the armed forces if they have obtained a Green Card granting legal permanent residency. It's the Green Card, rather than citizenship, that generally is the most difficult to obtain.

1. I highly doubt this is limited to Hispanics, though that's clearly who President Bush is pandering to... again.

2. Hesham Mohammed Hadayet, the Egyptian LAX shooter had a green card.
LINK

3. "Take back the Senate!" Rah rah rah...




8 posted on 07/07/2002 8:50:44 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: InvisibleChurch
Can't speak for the Army, but Hispanics were well represented in the Marine Corps.

Semper Fi !
9 posted on 07/07/2002 8:53:05 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: InvisibleChurch
bttt
11 posted on 07/07/2002 8:54:35 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: InvisibleChurch
Why do we have non citizens in our military at all?
23 posted on 07/07/2002 9:57:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: InvisibleChurch
The real question here is....what WON'T dubya do for votes?
27 posted on 07/07/2002 10:11:50 PM PDT by thepitts
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To: InvisibleChurch
I dont like aliens being in our army. I didnt like the germans in the british army in 1776, I didnt like the germans being in the union army in 1860, I didnt like the French Foreign Legion which more like what our army is today. If we recalled our troops from the 100 countries that our army is now deployed in, we would not need 31,000 foreigners in our army.

At the very least, they should get citizenship before they serve.

46 posted on 07/08/2002 4:41:18 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: InvisibleChurch
When I was in basic training at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO, there were three such troops in my company, two of which were in my platoon. So this is nothing new. Also, I don't know how much easier it is now for them to serve since it didn't seem hard before.

All in all, I don't have a problem with it. Our manpower is insufficient at the moment.

47 posted on 07/08/2002 4:46:55 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: InvisibleChurch
I think if a foreigner is really willing to die for this country, they should be moved ahead of the line for citizenship. I'd rather see them become citizens than those having anchor babies living in the housing projects. We would need to be very careful about some of the Middle Easterners though.
54 posted on 07/08/2002 6:45:13 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: InvisibleChurch
"Foreigners are allowed in the armed forces if they have obtained a Green Card granting legal permanent residency."

I think the Romans tried this some time back. It resulted in a military force that was made up primarily of foreigners who owed their allegiance to the military commander rather than the state, creating the scene for the rise of the Imperial System and eventual collapse of the Roman State.

I don't have a problem with immigrants - we are all descended from them. I DO have a problem with non-citizens in the military, or the granting of citizenship as a reward to non-citizens for enlisting. Military service in America's armed forces should be a privlege, not a commodity to be sold or traded.

59 posted on 07/08/2002 7:13:50 AM PDT by ZULU
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A Matter of Faith: Islam is Fastest-Growing Religion in the U.S.


Abdullah Yusuf, center, prays at the Masjid As-Salam in Sacramento
on Friday. Yusuf says he was raised Catholic but converted to Islam
because he liked the teachings of the Qur'an.

Latino Muslims

In April, California State University, Sacramento, hosted a forum on the "Islamic Presence in Latin America" before and after Columbus. One of the speakers, Salvadoran-born AbdulHadi Bazurto (President of Latin American Muslim Unity), said the more he examined his roots, the more he questioned the validity of Catholicism in his life. "Since the day the Spanish arrived, we as people have suffered a lot," he said. "Christianity's 'white God' concept was harmful to our people, who were definitely not white."

Another speaker, Daniel Denton, a Stockton elementary school teacher who was born in Mexico, said he was a hard-drinking veteran of the Gulf War when he began to explore Islam in 1994. At the invitation of Muslims at Delta College, he went to a mosque. "There was a carpet on the floor, and the walls were bare. I wondered, 'Where is everything?' and then I realized that was everything. If you go to a Catholic church, every few feet they have an image or a statue, but in Islam, there is no association between God and any image."

Denton also was impressed by the Islamic belief that each individual will be judged by their deeds on Judgment Day. That night, he took the shahada, the Muslim vow that says "There is only one God, Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger."

When he started fasting for Ramadan, "I heard my relatives in Stockton were calling my mom in San Diego and telling her I had become a terrorist and was doing drugs," Denton said. "When I went down to San Diego toward the end of Ramadan, I had lost 15 pounds and was starting to grow my beard. My mom was just in tears for days."

But, Denton said, his mother soon realized that instead of partying, he was staying home and talking to her as he had never done before.

"As she began to see the change, she came to accept it, and now she's happy. There's a saying in Islam that goes, 'Heaven lies at the feet of the mother. You have to treat her well at all times, take care of her.' "

Denton, 29, sees similarities between Islamic and Latino culture. "I've noticed that if you take away the crosses, the alcohol and the pork, the smells in my house are similar to Muslim homes. So is the behavior -- the respect for family."

Link to article HERE.

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California State University, Sacramento, hosted a forum on the "Islamic Presence in Latin America" before and after Columbus. One of the speakers, Salvadoran-born AbdulHadi Bazurto (President of Latin American Muslim Unity), said the more he examined his roots, the more he questioned the validity of Catholicism in his life. "Since the day the Spanish arrived, we as people have suffered a lot," he said. "Christianity's 'white God' concept was harmful to our people, who were definitely not white."

Our tax dollars at work.


81 posted on 07/08/2002 9:20:24 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks.
82 posted on 07/08/2002 9:21:09 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: InvisibleChurch
Great move by our president. Those who are defending this nation deserve to be citizens.
96 posted on 07/08/2002 10:43:53 AM PDT by doug from upland
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