U.S. quietly OKs fetal stem cell work - Bush allows funding despite federal limits on embryo use

Chicago Tribune ^ | July 7, 2002 | By Jeremy Manier

[Keyes For President]

The Bush administration has approved the first federally funded project using stem cells obtained from fetuses aborted up to eight weeks after conception, expanding the scientific promise of stem cell research and complicating the ethics debate that surrounds it.

[Don Joe]

"...we can make a lampshade out of his skin. Same thing."

"Not by a long shot..."

Nope, not by a long shot indeed. Lamphades are so utilitarian, and so easy to fabricate out of any sort of handy material, unlike the drugs etc. that can be manufactured out of killed fetus cells.

You're right. Killing people for their skins for lampshades ain't even in the same ballpark as this stuff.

Now, if someone could come up with a life-saving medicine that could be extracted from dried lampshade-grade Jewskin, on the other hand...

Then we'd be in the same ballpark.

[dcwusmc]

Well, well... Old Dane with his non-sequiters and lackafacts is back today. I have really not missed you a bit!

Dane, if this "law," passed by a Dem congress during Mr Bill's admin, means anything why'd Dubya make that speech last year? It was a MAJOR stand he took, or so I thought. If his hands were so tied, why'd he even bother?

As to your convenience, I could care less. Nor have I "revised" one damned thing. I am asking questions and you can't be bothered to find an answer so you spew your barbra streisand all over FR, yet again.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

You left out some info; Bush has not yet revised the CLinton rules, although Bush's revision of the laws still stand. Are you only posting this to trash Bush (again)?

Slow day at the anti-freeper sites?

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Oh bull. You left out the info in order to make it trash Bush. Give it up, you people are a one trick show. Go away.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Maybe Jim can give them their own forum and call it the "Idiots trash Bush with lies and half truths thread".

[Jhoffa_]

I am, I am..

Askel also has REAMS of material realted to this.

It's allot to grasp right out of the box.

[Clara Lou]

There are 2 kinds of stem cells involved here. The to-do last year was about stem cells from fertilized eggs. Previous research and discussion had to do with fetal stem cells-- from aborted babies.

[Dane]

Dane, if this "law," passed by a Dem congress during Mr Bill's admin, means anything why'd Dubya make that speech last year? It was a MAJOR stand he took, or so I thought. If his hands were so tied, why'd he even bother?

To placate doofus bashers like you, who shout every second of every day saying that there is no difference between demos and Pubbies. Like I said before, the law was legislated and signed by a demo controlled Congress and Presidency(1993). If you can't see the difference that is your problem. There are programs for political dyslexia maybe you should join one. Look one up while you are defending the Libertarians on the "pot will save the world" threads.

As to your convenience, I could care less. Nor have I "revised" one damned thing. I am asking questions and you can't be bothered to find an answer so you spew your barbra streisand all over FR, yet again.

Really? Barbara Sreisand is all for abortion and is screaming the simile to "bloody murder" over having a pro-life administration in the White House.

[Don Joe]

"LF(Lunatic Fringe), the penultimate right wing malcontent mutual admiration society."

I took a look at that place out of perverse curiosity. It struck me as a Timebomb2000 flavor forum, but with top hats and spats. Or if you prefer a different equally valid metaphor Nazi Fieldmarshals to TB2K's street trash Brownshirts. (The upscale shop might not come right out and declare that Jews are the Spawn of Satan, or a race of antichrists, but by golly you certainly get the impression that they know it!)

I gues someone decided the Internet wouldn't be complete without a parody of an "upscale" [koff koff] No Jews Need Apply venue. The problem is these parodies take themselves so bloody seriously.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

But that restriction does not apply to research on stem cells obtained from fetuses, according to officials at the National Institutes of Health. Such work falls under less-restrictive Clinton-era rules, which Bush never revised.

The article is very misleading the way its headlined and posted

Next time post the whole article

[Keyes For President]

Oh bull. You left out the info in order to make it trash Bush. Give it up, you people are a one trick show. Go away.

I didn't leave out anything. I originally posted the entire article only to have it pulled because, I was told by the Admin Moderator, the Chicago Tribune is affiliated with the LA Times and only very small excerpts can be posted. I tried posting a second time with the first few paragraphs and it was pulled again with instructions to post a very small excerpt. Hence, this thread which contains only the first paragraph and the link to the full article which is there for everyone to read.

Go take your personal attacks, name calling and wild accusations somewhere else. Come back when you grow up.

[Dane]

I took a look at that place out of perverse curiosity. It struck me as a Timebomb2000 flavor forum, but with top hats and spats. Or if you prefer a different equally valid metaphor Nazi Fieldmarshals to TB2K's street trash Brownshirts. (The upscale shop might not come right out and declare that Jews are the Spawn of Satan, or a race of antichrists, but by golly you certainly get the impression that they know it!)

I gues someone decided the Internet wouldn't be complete without a parody of an "upscale" [koff koff] No Jews Need Apply venue. The problem is these parodies take themselves so bloody seriously.

Spot on, old chap. :^)

[Keyes For President]

Next time post the whole article

I did. It was pulled because the Chicago Tribune is apparently affiliated with the LA Times.

[rdf]

I hope we can moderate the tone of this thread and keep it from being pulled. I really do want the information I asked about.

FWIW, I saw your first post of the whole article, and when I tried to reply, found it pulled, just as you said.

Lighten up, everyone!

KFP is telling the truth.

Best to all,

Richard F.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Bull. You guys do exactly as Gore did, and as CLinton did when he ran against Bush Sr.

Nothing to offer from your candidate so you trash the other guy.

Your only reason for this post was exactly that.

Soon you will post using words of "founding, fathers, declaration, etc".

You guys have only one agenda.

The difference between your guy and Bush?

One talks religion, the other lives Christianity.

your posts are just personal attacks against the George Bush. That supercedes anything I say in his defense.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Moderate it then by not posting with an agenda. And put all the facts out there. Maybe the term "Bush-bashbot" should become a regular use here.

[RightWhale]

complicating the ethics debate that surrounds it.

What ethics debate?

This issue is gone the same way as the abortion issue. Lost cause.

[Bandolier]

If said Demo law exists, it could be overturned by dinnertime. The Constitution gives the President veto power; the congress can't prevent that. So, either the law does not exist, or the administration does not want to overturn it.