U.S. quietly OKs fetal stem cell work - Bush allows funding despite federal limits on embryo use

Chicago Tribune ^ | July 7, 2002 | By Jeremy Manier

[Keyes For President]

The Bush administration has approved the first federally funded project using stem cells obtained from fetuses aborted up to eight weeks after conception, expanding the scientific promise of stem cell research and complicating the ethics debate that surrounds it.

[Mudboy Slim]

"Personhood doesn't begin at conception then to you? Biology disagrees."

Don't even try to get to the Right of me on abortion, my FRiend, of course I believe Life begins at conception and, of course, I am appalled at what the anti-Life forces have done over the last 30 years. Still, I believe we need to pick our battles in order to win over the Minds and Hearts of the American Sheeple. This Fetal Tissue Stem-Cell Issue is one of those battles we can--and should win!! As, BTW, is the Partial Birth Abortion Issue.

"Reductionist victories into the mindset of west thought are scary as hell."

Hunh?!...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

"You're right. Killing people for their skins for lampshades ain't even in the same ballpark as this stuff."

Thank you...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

"Yet more proof that Bush is not committed to the pro-life cause."

Did you even read the article, my FRiend?! C'mon now...this is the beginning of the debate on the issue, not the end, and Dubyuh will be there when it counts if we continue to highlight the barbarity of killing 8-week-old fetuses and harvesting their stem cells.

"This and Bush's other betryals of the conservative cause are why I have decided to support Alan Keyes for President in 2004!"

Might as well support my candidacy, as neither of us will be candidates...MUD

[Askel5]

Continuing to trash the Bush Administration doesn't assist our cause, which should be the elimination of this

Which administration are you accusing me of trashing? His father's (who tried to establish a fetal tissue bank) or Bush II's (who used his first televised address as President to soften us up with a little Scripture as he shoved us down the slippery slope)?

[Mudboy Slim]

"Which administration are you accusing me of trashing? His father's (who tried to establish a fetal tissue bank)..."

That, if true, is a major mistake and ill-advised policy, but I come to doubt exactly how much he actually "tried to establish" when I see people spinning this latest news as a major Bush policy push towards more abortion.

"...or Bush II's (who used his first televised address as President to soften us up with a little Scripture as he shoved us down the slippery slope)?"

Puhhh-LEEEEZE, my FRiend, that is a very cynical view of what was discussed in the Address to the Nation!! This is a new slippery slope that I think Dubyuh did a pretty good job in keep us from traversing...and I think he will do a pretty good job in rectifying this Fetal Tissue Stem Cell Issue as well. I'm glad you are willing to argue against the horrific nature of this procedure with so much passion, but please be willing to assist in steering Dubyuh to the proper solution, which is made more difficult by your damning him as a lost cause.

FReegards...MUD

[Amelia]

H.R. 3061 was signed by Pres. Bush, allowing funding for SCR. This is a bill allowing for Federal Funding towards experiments on Stem Cells gleaned from fetuses that had been killed.

Fetuses or embryos? Apparently there is some sort of legal distinction between the two.

[Amelia]

Yet more proof that Bush is not committed to the pro-life cause.

Obviously you did not read the article, but only the misleading headline. Before you make your final judgement, you might want to do the following:

1. Read the entire article.

2. Read post #275.

3. Be aware that the grant was approved on the last day Clinton's appointed acting NIH director was in office. Bush's appointee was approved by the Senate May 2, 2002 and took over May 21.

This and Bush's other betryals of the conservative cause are why I have decided to support Alan Keyes for President in 2004!

Is Keyes running?

[Keyes For President]

What do you mean,"That's not how it works?".

All I mean is that President Bush can't veto a law that was aready signed by Clinton and is on the books. He can, however, lead the charge to have that law changed, which I hope he does.

[Askel5]

that is a very cynical view of what was discussed in the Address to the Nation!!

Which did you find the more Hopeful and Humane description of human lives: "Excess" or "Already-been-killed"?

[Don Joe]

What's your problem? If all you can do is selectively edit what I said to twist its meaning around to an ersatz agreement with your position, wouldn't the decent thing to do be to simply say nothing? What a no-class response, I swear.

[Mudboy Slim]

When Dubyuh was given the responsibility to set embryonic stem cell policy, he acted by allowing the stem cells already harvested to continue to be used in the research, but acted against future embryos being harvested for their stem cells. Now, we see that there is existing unacceptable legislation relating to fetal stem cell harvesting up to 8 weeks after conception...of course it must be reversed, legislatively, and it will, IMHO. I appreciate your efforts in pointing out how horrific the Status Quo is, all I'm saying is that we need to prod Dubyuh until he moves this issue up on his agenda, and then I think we'll see him Do The Right Thing when the time comes. Apparently, you feel otherwise...we'll see, I reckon.

FReegards...MUD

[FreedominJesusChrist]

"I respect the fact that you are intelligent. It's just that, at this point, you display so many other annoying qualities that detract. I think this exchange should about do it for us this week."

LOL! Well, apparently you must think that I am some sort of Hermione Granger. You crack me up Clara Lou, if you don't want me to talk to you, that's fine with me, a week's time out? OK.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Ditto on that one.

[truthandlife]

Sickening!!!

[Mudboy Slim]

"If all you can do is selectively edit what I said to twist its meaning around to an ersatz agreement with your position, wouldn't the decent thing to do be to simply say nothing? What a no-class response, I swear."

Hunh?! Let's review...

"Nope, not by a long shot indeed. Lamphades are so utilitarian, and so easy to fabricate out of any sort of handy material, unlike the drugs etc. that can be manufactured out of killed fetus cells. You're right. Killing people for their skins for lampshades ain't even in the same ballpark as this stuff. Now, if someone could come up with a life-saving medicine that could be extracted from dried lampshade-grade Jewskin, on the other hand...Then we'd be in the same ballpark."

Now, what's yer bi+c#?! "Life-saving medicines" can be created from the stem cells harvested from discarded umbilical cords every bit as easily as from fetal stem cells. Still, I believe the Holocaust reference in misplaced and inflammatory...IMHO, of course.

MUD

[Howlin]

concerned and informed private citizen may suggest bills to their legislators, or they may study the legal format of various bills and actually submit the text of a proposed law to their representative or senators for introduction into Congress. A individual citizen can consult publications such as the daily Congressional Record for help in writing a bill. This publication and the Congressional Quarterly Weekly Report are also quite helpful as to the current legislative activities of Congress.

Looks like somebody has been copying and pasting right out of the Political Science 101 textbook, doesn't it?

Book learning. *Sigh*

[Howlin]

Gosh, you must be excited. When you posted this same article on LP it only got 5 comments.

[Scholastic]

click/ spin machine on.

[Clara Lou]

Looks like somebody has been copying and pasting right out of the Political Science 101 textbook, doesn't it?
Do you think she's learned about plagiarism and acknowledging authors? Oh-- maybe they don't teach that until senior year.

[Askel5]

Book learning. *Sigh*

Do you think she's learned about plagiarism and acknowledging authors? Oh-- maybe they don't teach that until senior year.

Lol ...