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1 posted on 07/06/2002 6:29:42 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Hmmmm. Must be some pretty scary intel for them to do this. =(
2 posted on 07/06/2002 6:44:08 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: kattracks
The more Americans are immunized, the less likely an attack because the lower the payoff to it. I'd say the "externality" is positive if we voluntarily risk it.
3 posted on 07/06/2002 7:02:32 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: kattracks; Mitchell; Nogbad; EternalHope; cicero's_son
Dr. Kenneth I. Berns, president of the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City, said he judged the probability that Iraq possessed weaponized smallpox as "reasonably high" and that Saddam Hussein would use such germs in a war against the United States as "quite high."

Oh dear. Better hope he doesn't have anything genetically-engineered to evade the vaccine. I use genetically-engineered viruses in my work, and it is rather frightening how easy it is with current technology to play mix and match with these things. For instance, it is quite routine to take an ecotrophic virus (one that only infects a single species) and turn into an amphitrophic virus (one that infects a wide range of species) simply by swapping out the genes that code for the coat proteins. If Saddam is operating at that level of technology, I venture to say we could lose about a third of the population in the coming showdown -- comparable to a full-scale nuclear exchange. If he has only conventional smallpox, anthrax, botulism, etc., then we may be able to contain the threat to something managable by building up our civil defense infrastucture. Even then, I don't think we're near that point -- perhaps in a couple of years. I expect Bush to keep up the rhetorical heat on Saddam and pursue every avenue to put the squeeze on him, including military pressure, but I thing those who are expecting a big assault in the next 12 months will be disappointed. Way too dangerous, I'm afraid.

7 posted on 07/06/2002 8:02:04 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: kattracks
So how do private citizens get this vaccine ??

8 posted on 07/06/2002 8:03:40 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: kattracks
This is huge news.

10 posts. A million on Michael Jackson.

But, there is little to say. Except it is major.

Crazy freaks will put in their worthless 2 cents (eg W.G.).

10 posted on 07/06/2002 8:33:11 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: kattracks; bonesmccoy; David Hunter; Jim Noble; LadyDoc
U.S. to Vaccinate 500,000 Workers Against Smallpox

I work. I'm a taxpayer. Why can't I get my vaccination now.

20 posted on 07/06/2002 9:46:06 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: MSCASEY; niki
bump
23 posted on 07/06/2002 10:10:52 PM PDT by niki
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To: kattracks
This is serious. If my understanding of the smallpox vaccine is correct, a small percentage of the 500,000 people will die from the vaccine. There has to be hard intelligence driving this policy. The next couple of years may contain greater surprises than 9/11.
26 posted on 07/06/2002 11:46:15 PM PDT by caa26
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To: kattracks
You can rest assured that Congress, those brave leaders, will be vaccinated, lest we lose one or two of them, aawwww, that would be tragic! With vaccinations and the 25,000 new gas masks available to them,(not us, just them) they'll be safe as bugs in a rug! Good, I wouldn't want to worry!

28 posted on 07/07/2002 1:43:23 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: kattracks
This is because Al Gore and Victor Chernomrydin conducted hidden arms sales to Iran. What we are finding out is that the Soviet bioweapons program, which featured smallpox laden refrigerated blister packs on ICBMS as late as 1989, has sold the Iranians the awesome terror weapon.

The genetically altered and potency enhanced smallpox agent was directed to the Iranian terrorist state, by the corrupt cash hungry Boris Yeltsin PM Chernomyrdin who wanted to make sure other deadly conventional weapon system purchases were completed.

"The Russians sold the Iranians the smallpox bioweapons almost as an afterthought. The Russians are literally swimming in the stuff! Appoximately 50 metric tons of smallpox agent are just laying around the former Soviet Union. The smallpox was just an added bonus, thrown in as a deal sweetener." The Iranian regime said that it needed the agent to supress the ethnic Kurdish population.

Now the agent has been smuggled around the globe by Al-Queda operatives and poses a potent terrorist threat to the entire world. The Iranians desparately want plausable deniability. That's the only holdup in the use of smallpox.

Evidence the abrupt about face in the Bush Administration. Immunization causes 15 cases per 100,000 innoculations. Vaccination will be conducted using an innoculum that has been diluted and cannot be relied upon to confer immunity in it's recipients. This can only be discribed as full blown panic in Washington DC.

Wide awake now?

Peace,

DrMike

32 posted on 07/07/2002 2:42:08 AM PDT by STD
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To: SiKKuS
Here ya go...
36 posted on 07/07/2002 4:11:08 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: kattracks
Here's a very good, pre-9/11 smallpox review, written by the policymakers before they were policymakers.
40 posted on 07/07/2002 5:44:00 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: kattracks
The government is also laying the groundwork to carry out mass vaccinations of the public — a policy abandoned 30 years ago — if there is a large outbreak.

But it would be so much better to do it before a 'large outbreak'.

"Now we can act differently because we have more vaccine," Dr. Donald A. Henderson

Translation: "Now we medics can get ourselves vaccinated".

Dr. Kaplan, of Yale, presented a study done with colleagues from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology that described how a smallpox attack could affect a crowded metropolitan region like New York City. What began as 1,000 infections at a train station or airport, he said, would spiral over weeks and months into 97,000 deaths if fought with ring vaccination alone.

"By contrast," he said, "post-attack mass vaccination would result in only 525 deaths" from the smallpox virus, which takes about two weeks to develop in the body before symptoms become obvious.

Finally, someone with common sense. The ring vaccination strategy would completely fail to prevent high numbers of casualties.

If they did the mass vaccinations before an attack there would only be about 180 deaths. Because Soddem'll and his al "psycho" Qaeda pals fantasise about a large scale Smallpox attack, such a policy would also have a deterrent value. The payload from a Smallpox attack would be so small it would no longer be worthwhile. If only the US and British governments could wake up to this fact, probably they are too busy arranging there own Smallpox vaccinations.

42 posted on 07/07/2002 6:29:06 AM PDT by David Hunter
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To: kattracks
Dr. Henderson is on this case. As the world's leading expert on smallpox eradication, this should be BIG news, especially as he is retired.

No doubt the underlying threat of an attack is being taken very seriously if we have escalated to these steps.

43 posted on 07/07/2002 7:17:24 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: kattracks
The plan to increase the number of "first responders" who receive the vaccination to roughly 500,000

I think the next key to watch is if the military starts getting vaccinated. No doubt they are first on the list for delivery of new vaccine.

44 posted on 07/07/2002 7:22:46 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: cajungirl
Check this out. Here we go.
61 posted on 07/07/2002 9:05:47 AM PDT by MarMema
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