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Anti-Americans had me in tears on the Fourth of July
Daily Telegraph ^ | 07/06 | Julia Magnet

Posted on 07/06/2002 8:59:49 AM PDT by ginle

I've just moved from New York City to London, into a little house with a little garden - and it seemed a good idea to throw a Fourth of July barbecue. After years of cramped Manhattan parties, craning out of our air-conditioned apartment window to catch a glimpse of fireworks, I was determined to have the traditional outdoor feast.

My British flatmate loved the idea. "It's a themed welcome-back party," she exclaimed. She emailed invitations to our friends. I bought gourmet sausages, and then suddenly I panicked. Why would a bunch of Brits, anti-Bush and liberal Brits at that, want to celebrate our most all-American day?

Having lived in London on and off for two years, I've realised that young British people don't like America; in fact, now that Bush is waging his war on terror, they hate it. At a dinner party in the autumn, a boy I'd just met said: "You know, basically bin Laden is right." I began to cry. "America oppresses every other country, and really exploits them just to get richer and, you know, crushes them if they try to stand up for themselves. Bin Laden was telling America to mind its own business; it needed to be told."

And all this when my city was plastered with posters for loved ones missing since September 11; when I had just discovered that a friend had died in the attack. Knowing that one of the charges against Americans was that we "take everything too seriously", I apologised for crying.

Since September, most of my introductions to young Brits begin: "Oh, you're American." Then comes a barrage of questions and assertions about Bush and America's place in the world. If you can clear such political minefields, you find yourself with some friends for life, whose political attitudes about America do not extend to their opinion of individual Americans. "So really," I told myself, "stop worrying. These are your cherished friends coming to the party. You can make it through an evening without talking politics, and everyone loves a camp themed party, especially one with gourmet sausages and mustard in a squeezy bottle."

Then I read the "youth" survey in The Telegraph - a huge majority of young Britons thought America was "aggressive", "inward-looking", "concerned only with its own place in the world" and "not a good example to other countries". Thirty-seven per cent thought Bush was either "poor" or "dreadful". I accosted each new guest - even before they had negotiated the red, white and blue balloons that covered our floor - with interview requests. "Please will you tell me what you really think about Bush and America? I swear I won't get upset and really the more honest the better and I know that we disagree anyway." It worked, but not until we had more than a little drink. What a sight: BA literature students, photographers, actors and people in the theatre - all British but me - piling on to a sofa and talking tipsily about politics.

"Well, America," began someone, nestling into the couch and setting her drink on the table. "I really like America, but I don't think their political system inspires much confidence." "Bush is awful - a total idiot," broke in a boy from across the room, and the polite reserve was broken. "Yeah," nodded another friend earnestly. "Everyone in Britain thinks he's horrible; we were really gutted when he won. We wanted the other guy, what's his name? - Gore - to win."

Turning away from a conversation revolving around an Alabama-style chocolate cake that one of our friends had brought us, someone volunteered: "Bush is a homicidal megalomaniac; he wants to take over the world." My friend's boyfriend added a new sort of conspiracy theory: "The US is the world's biggest terrorist. They think that it is fine to go into other countries and pillage them for their own good, but when other countries attack them they call it terrorism. George W welcomed September 11. Look what it did for him. He didn't exactly engineer it, but he wanted to go into Afghanistan because of their oil resources. Do we really know Osama was behind September 11?" "Where did you hear this?" I asked, trying desperately to be impartial. "Well, I pieced it together," he replied. His paranoia was met with approval from some quarters: "Yeah, Bush wants to use 9/11 to start a world war." He was shot down by the others: "He's too stupid to do that."

I wondered out loud why they were convinced that he was so dumb. The answer was a bit feeble: "Our media has hyped him as stupid." But another friend, while pouring us more wine, came to the rescue: "He always messes up the speeches that are written for him and trips over big words." "He's a knob," yelled a friend as she went into the garden to partake of the sausages.

Finally, I went out into the garden to talk to my friend, the war studies undergraduate, who seems the exception to the rule. "There is less to worry about George W than everyone makes out," he said, lighting my cigarette with an "I Love NY" lighter. "He is a strong hand on the tiller and his responses are not wrong. The Republicans pick people for character traditionally and set up a really intelligent strong team behind them. I don't think we have to worry with Colin Powell and Rumsfeld." This inspired a boy who had been quiet the whole evening - "I am the most British person you'll ever meet," he confided, "and I am completely behind Bush and America. So I guess that I don't have anything to say here."

Probably this, not the paranoid anti-Americanism, was the most shocking comment. But it was a lovely evening, and no one got into an argument, except for two Brits about the NHS. The Telegraph poll said that 63 per cent of young Britons think America is a good friend to Britain, and that is what I most noticed at my party. For all their criticism of America and its supposed militant posturing, here were my friends, bearing wine, celebrating the Fourth of July and staying late, long after we wanted to clear up and go to bed.

After all, these were the same people who had called me and my parents on September 11 and sent flowers to lay at the site.


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1 posted on 07/06/2002 8:59:49 AM PDT by ginle
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To: ginle
With friends like this, who needs enemies?
2 posted on 07/06/2002 9:10:24 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: ginle
"The Republicans pick people for character traditionally and set up a really intelligent strong team behind them. I don't think we have to worry with Colin Powell and Rumsfeld."

Unlike the Clinton administration where Clinton would appoint mental pygmies in order to make himself look brilliant.

3 posted on 07/06/2002 9:15:28 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
exactly.
4 posted on 07/06/2002 9:17:55 AM PDT by ginle
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To: ginle
"Oh, you're American." Then comes a barrage of questions and assertions about Bush and America's place in the world. If you can clear such political minefields, you find yourself with some friends for life, whose political attitudes about America do not extend to their opinion of individual Americans.

That's where we are different. That would be a filter for me. I long ago got tired of feeling like I was the only person who really understood the miraculous experiment in personal freedom our country is. Those blokes just don't get it.

If you are the type of person who takes this stuff personally (they make you cry?!?!?), then you need to move on.

6 posted on 07/06/2002 9:19:28 AM PDT by krb
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To: ginle
I'm in the middle of Ann Coulter's new book. These conversations could have been included; unsubstantiated opinions, with no basis in truth, stated as fact. The M.O. of the left.
7 posted on 07/06/2002 9:21:05 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: ginle
I wondered out loud why they were convinced that he was so dumb. The answer was a bit feeble: "Our media has hyped him as stupid.

The Media is the Real Enemy

9 posted on 07/06/2002 9:22:35 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: ginle; SeeRushToldU_So; Cagey
The author sounds like a whiney apologist - instead of standing up and defending her homeland, she "politely" asks her friends why they hate America.......she provides a fertile atmosphere for the denegration of our President and the actions of our country, instead of encouraging actual discussion of differing opinions. She got exactly what she deserved for being such a wimp.......
10 posted on 07/06/2002 9:23:32 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: GWELO
"I really like America, but I don't think their political system inspires much confidence."

What is it about freedom that so frightens Europeans? It's like a massive case of contintent-wide arrested development, a bunch of children who want the government to be their mommies and daddies and take care of them forever.

11 posted on 07/06/2002 9:26:05 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: ginle
We wanted the other guy, what's his name? - Gore - to win."

Gorons! What does this guy expect? He's should try hanging out with Maggie Thatcher-ites.

12 posted on 07/06/2002 9:29:07 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Paleo Conservative
In addition, clinton lifted the rocks to find his vermin of the 60s radical left.
13 posted on 07/06/2002 9:32:18 AM PDT by poet
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To: ginle
bump
14 posted on 07/06/2002 9:35:08 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: mountaineer
"What is it about freedom that so frightens Europeans? It's like a massive case of contintent-wide arrested development, a bunch of children who want the government to be their mommies and daddies and take care of them forever."

Just like the Americans who have been "educated" by gov't schools. Just look at the latest polls wherein a majority of Americans don't see anything wrong with loss of our freedoms and are willing to give up their liberty in the name of security.

Unless we return the education systems to local control, you will be saying the same thing about young Americans. Thet are being "taught" to "feel" rather than think. They can't even do multiplication in their heads or point off a decimal. Ask some youngsters what 10% of anything is w/o using a calculator and see what kind of replies you receive.

15 posted on 07/06/2002 9:39:47 AM PDT by poet
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To: ginle
You're a weenie.
17 posted on 07/06/2002 9:44:51 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: ginle
Nice read.

Point #1: The founders of this country rebelled against the Brittish rule - Thank God.

Point #2: The Brits are responsible for more wars and strife than any other country, ever. Look at India, South Africa and most of the middle east. It was the incessant meddling of the Brittish Empire that fomented conflicts in these regions. (Look what they did not do for Poland after WW2)

Point #3: These fools at that party, in fact, do not "get it". America is the UK's best and biggest ally. Those ingrates have long forgotten WW2.

Point #4: Socialists the world around are simply envious of the wealth and power of the US. They dream and drool over the prospect of looting America.

18 posted on 07/06/2002 9:44:55 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator
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To: Bob J
The Media is the Real Enemy

The Media is part of the real enemy. You have to look at the roots of the Media in American Academia, where they are trained. It is in that leftwing mindset, that the problem arises. And you need to understand that patriotism is deliberately targeted in academia. (See Myths & Myth Makers In American "Higher" Education.)

We are in a War in which the Left (particularly those of the Fabian variety) set out to capture the bastions of the verbal arts, and accomplished that mission. Part of the war on private firearms, is their effort to consolidate that victory, by destroying other means of confrontation.

We need to keep our liberties intact and to take back academia. Then we will all be really able to celebrate the Fourth again.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

19 posted on 07/06/2002 9:58:04 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: ginle
At a dinner party in the autumn, a boy I'd just met said: "You know, basically bin Laden is right."

"Anti-semitism was rather fashionable, until Hitler came along and over-did it."
(comment from a WWII-era British officer about the anti-Jewish sentiment in pre-WWII England)

Looks like it's "old times again".
20 posted on 07/06/2002 9:58:57 AM PDT by VOA
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