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A 'Marriage Strike' Emerges As Men Decide Not To Risk Loss
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 5, 2002 | Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

Posted on 07/06/2002 5:00:19 AM PDT by buccaneer81

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To: SouthernFreebird
How sweet.......a thread for male bonding.

Sweeter. . .a thread for male bondage.

61 posted on 07/06/2002 7:35:27 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: nygoose
Women are very adept at long term planning, secrecy and manipulation. Have you ever noticed that it is usually the man who immediately moves out of the family home even though it is the woman who usually initiates the eventual family breakup? The women know they have the power of the law and the courts behind them. Even if they don't know how powerful the State's backing can be, the first lawyer they see will gleefully explain it to them. Women hold all the cards in this type of situation. They know that eventually they will gain control of the children and will have access to whatever family assets and/or income they will need to maintain their customary lifestyle.

Everything you say here is true. But it doesn't disprove my point, which is simply that one has to be a brain-dead moron to not realize that one's marriage is heading towards the breaking point befoer it happens.

There are always plenty of warning signs that a relationship is in trouble, and the fact that man could be taken by surprise when the woman kicks him out is prima facie evidence that he was a distant, detached, uncommunicative and emotionally unavailable husband in the first place.

I'm not saying that women aren't ever at fault in the break-up of a marriage, or that good guys don't get dumped unfairly. And I'm not suggesting that every marriage can be saved in any case. But women need communication and presence above all else in a relationship, and if a guy is so out of touch with his wife that he is surprised when she woman wants out, then he likely deserves to be dumped.

62 posted on 07/06/2002 7:35:36 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: warped
I married someone I met at a teen rally at my church, we both abstained till marriage, and I'm approaching a tenth anniversary now, with two wonderful kids, no problems in the relationship, and loving life.

You're one of the smart ones who knew what qualities to look for in a woman. It sounds like you didn't try to meet a trophy type in some bar, you didn't pick the one who was the best in bed or just had the hottest looking body. It's all about choices and choosing carefully.

63 posted on 07/06/2002 7:35:49 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: buccaneer81
WARNING!

If you get a restraining order slapped on you, then obey it no matter how much she begs to see you. A friend of mine got set up this way and spent a year in jail for it. And, I won't go into what else it cost him.

64 posted on 07/06/2002 7:39:17 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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To: buccaneer81
Major League Bump. I couldn't agree with this piece more. And I am one of the extremely lucky ones who has been happily married for 15 years with no significant marital strife. Yet I fully realize that if my wife was so inclined, she could, with one visit to the police station and one false report, destroy my life utterly and totally. I will lose access to my kids, lose my home, lose everything that I have been working for these past 20 years. On top of that, a significant portion of my future earnings will be diverted to her (even though she has her own career) and a claim will even be made on my 401(k) retirement plan. This is just plain wrong and even though my marriage has been good and I am very fortunate, knowing what I know now, if I had to do my life over again, I would never get married and never have kids. I have seen way too many of my friends and family members get screwed over by vindicative women who have all the laws and courts on their side.

There is also some poetic justice in seeing those unmarried women bitch about not being able to find a husband as those are usually the most likely women to latch on to a man eking out a decent living and pull such a scam. Fortunately men are finally wising up to them. I hope they stay freakin' miserable for the rest of their pathetic, unmarried lives.

65 posted on 07/06/2002 7:39:21 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: meyer
Has the women's vote caused this?

Gives me an opprtunity to toss out a morsel for everyone's contemplation....

Has anyone else noticed how, in the bigger piture of the last 150-ish years of social and political evolution, white men constitute the only social group that consistently votes egalitarian? Every other group votes precisely in their pettiest self-interest. Whatever steers the most money and/or social power their way is how that block votes.

A canonical study in this phenomenon was NOW's withdrawal of support for the Equal Rights Ammendment, after it became clear that women would lose many social and economic priviledges had the law been passed. Because it was not in their immediate petty self interest, women voted against a law which would have codified the fundamental moral principle by which they justify their existence as a cohesive political entity.

66 posted on 07/06/2002 7:39:55 AM PDT by Yeti
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To: JMJ333; mancini; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal; babylonian; Crazymonarch; ex-Texan; Fred Mertz
>Wasn't it Lenin who said, "Destroy the family and you'll destroy society"...?

Certainly the Marxists and globalists have promoted the disintegration of family for decades and encouraged feminism.  See The Decline of a Nation for the five intellectuals who destroyed Western civilization and how they did it and the keys to a nation's demise.

Too often these threads end up being male v. female which go no where.  If one does not understand the spiritual nature of one's enemy (and it is not a spouse) and what to do about it, then he or she will lose the battle.  The Bible says For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.  Eph 6:12

Those demonic levels of enemy want to destroy marriage and family.  They can operate in one or both individuals or in the middle between the two.  They certainly operate in government.  The whole culture has become mammon crazed, materialistic and hedonistic, requiring two incomes, sending the kids to gov't schools where they are trained in atheistic secular humanism and opposition to anything Judeo-Christian.  As gov't rips off taxes to strengthen its control over families, stresses mount, the husband must work longer hours, has less time with the wife and children.  The children have more time for TV and cultural icons in music which has been engineered to oppose godly values like family.

America has been subjected to 70 years of Mind Kontrol through a deliberate plan to destroy the nation by destroying the family.  Through education, movies, magazines and music, people have been taught the wrong things about marriage.  At the same time the Christian Church has majored in Easy Believism and has fallen away.  In the Garden, Adam rebelled and blamed Eve and God.  Eve was deceived.  That blame-shifting and deception continues today.

Certainly as many divorces are caused by kick butt machoism as are caused by women becoming feminists.  Machoism provides fertile ground for feminism because a macho male has become a god in his own eyes instead of submitting himself to God and administering a family properly, laying down his life for and loving his wife and keeping his family in order.   Also a feminist wife has become a goddess in her own eyes like Jezebel and tears down her house with her own hands.  God killed Eli (1 Sam 1-4) for abdicating his responsibility and for not restraining his sons.  He will surely hold the man accountable who has abdicated his responsibilities just as he will jthe Jezebelic wife who usurps the man's authority.

Finally, the gov't frequently takes the wrong side!  Truth has fallen in the street!

Isa 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.  15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

67 posted on 07/06/2002 7:40:54 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: PaxMacian
A friend of mine got set up this way and spent a year in jail for it.

Been there, done that. But only for two days. She did it by false accusations of stalking backed up by her "co-worker" aka the boyfriend.

68 posted on 07/06/2002 7:42:35 AM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: buccaneer81
When women ceased being legal chattel, marriage lost its appeal to me.
69 posted on 07/06/2002 7:43:51 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Wondervixen
Whew.

. . .but when you luck out and land one (like mine) who is "broken-in" and treats you and the children like gold, you don't go tossing him back, sticking a knife in him, and twisting it every chance you get just to be a bitch.

What if he treats you and your children (his also, presumably) merely like silver?

If the husband isn't giving you a legitimate reason to grab up the kids and run for it and if he treats you well and with respect. . .

Who gets to make that judgement call, and does it override the lifetime commitment vowed during marriage?

70 posted on 07/06/2002 7:45:24 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: Dakotabound
Lotta wisdom in your #42. We all, men and women alike, need to grow up some ...
71 posted on 07/06/2002 7:45:36 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: buccaneer81
Katherine is attractive, successful, witty, and educated. She also can't find a husband. Why?

Because you left out obedient.

72 posted on 07/06/2002 7:45:55 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: buccaneer81
As bad as all of this is, it would still make Dan one of the lucky ones. After all, he could be one of those fathers who cannot see his children at all because his ex has made a false accusation of domestic violence, child abuse, or child molestation. Or a father who can only see his own children under supervised visitation or in nightmarish visitation centers where dads are treated like criminals.

Oh, and you lose your right to own guns as an added bonus.

73 posted on 07/06/2002 7:46:56 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: College Repub
Can't Pre-nup's take care of this?

If the court system doesn't care about the Constitution, what makes you think they will be interested in a pre-nup?

74 posted on 07/06/2002 7:48:31 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Balto_Boy
While this may be true, the majority of children in fatherless homes were born out of wedlock. Men refusing to abstain from casual sex and their slavish donations to sperm banks has far more to do with this problem than the judicial system, yet men can't seem to see it. In some areas in Europe, children born out of wedlock has reached 75%. Think about that. 25%, 50%, 60%, and men couldn't see what was happening. Now they're demanding rights to their children, but what leverage do they have now that they have taken themselves out of the family.

Not just the guys, though. I overheard a conversation between two young women in which one was outlining her plan to have three out-of-wedlock children by three different fathers. Each would be able to afford child support for one child, the aggreagte would support her and she wouldn't have to work!!

It IS a wasteland out there, but it takes two to tangle..

75 posted on 07/06/2002 7:48:34 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: nygoose
Right on the nails head, goose!! My husband's ex and same trash she ran with planned and traded knowledge with each other on how to do this. They KNEW they would get whatever they wanted, and sure enuff, BINGO!!! You can't avoid snakes in the grass in this world, but the fact that the courts are automatically for the "mother" (I use that term loosely in this situation) doesn't give the man a chance.
76 posted on 07/06/2002 7:48:59 AM PDT by lilmsdangrus
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To: College Repub
Can't Pre-nup's take care of this?

You'd think so. But family courts can declare null and void any pre-nup with impunity. Bottom line: if mamma wants it, mamma gets it.

Hope the soccer moms are happy. Now they can dream of being "taken" by Bill Clinton.

77 posted on 07/06/2002 7:49:47 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: warped
I think the biggest problem is that too many people rush into marriage with no counseling, and don't even consider finding someone of the same religion, abstaining till marriage, etc.

I think you are correct to a great extent. The more the couple have in common from the start, the better the chances the marriage will last. Also late marriages, which is becoming more and more common, are bad. The two are already set in their ways and this will lead to more conflicts. Our society has almost made it a sin to marry young but growing older together insures a lasting relationship.

78 posted on 07/06/2002 7:50:46 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: Phaedrus
Spoken like a true FemiNazi

Oh please, I'm an old fashioned girl at heart.....I married a Christian man.....had my babies after marriage and my eyes opened after divorce.

In a nutshell men don't want to pay if they aren't milking the cow........If they have to shell out money they want something in return by way of the bedroom. It p*sses them off to no end to pay a womam child support when they no longer get to do the nasty with her. I think it's the height of selfishness to not want your children to be fed,clothed, and housed because your no longer benefiting from their mother.

and I'd really like to know where all the fathers who are being denied their children are cause the women I know can't pay the fathers to spend time with their chidren.....they have new girlfriend and new families and no time or interest in previous children

I said what I said because men on here were'nt being honest, men also cheat and destoy the family causing divorce....they are just as selfish, petty,and ungodly as any woman you refer to. Men are not innocent victims an this thread is nothing but fluff because you refuse to share responsibility for your roles in the family break-down.

79 posted on 07/06/2002 7:52:32 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Thorn11cav
ROTFLMBO !!!.................Finally she puffs out her chest and says "what do you think"....to that I answered "I think if you'd gotten a smaller set, maybe they'd had room to leave your heart in".

While she was buying em a third one on her back would have made slow dancin more popular.......

I'm suprised I haven't seen the old Why buy the cow when the milk is free analogy..........

Stay Safe !

80 posted on 07/06/2002 7:55:39 AM PDT by Squantos
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