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To: Pistolshot
With all due respect...

Pete Rose's Major Records

All-time Major League record for most career hits-4,256

All-time Major League record for most games played-3,562

All-time Major League record for most at bats-14,053

All-time Major League record for most singles-3,315

All-time Major League record for most total bases by a switch hitter-5,752

All-time Major League record for most seasons of 200 or more hits-10

All-time Major League record for most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits-23

All-time Major League record for most seasons with 600 or more at bats-17

All-time Major League record for most seasons with 150 or more games played--17

All-time Major League record for most seasons with 100 or more games played-23

Only player in Major League history to play more than 500 games at five different Positions-1B (939) 2B (628) 3B (634) LF (671) RF (595)

Major League record for playing in the most winning games-1,972

All-time National League record for most years played-24

All-time National League record for most consecutive years played-24

All-time National League record for most career runs-2,165

All-time National League record for most career doubles-746

All-time National League record for most games with 5 or more hits-10

Modern National League record for longest consecutive game hitting streak-44

Modern National League Record for most consecutive game hitting streaks of 20 or more games--7

10 posted on 07/06/2002 5:19:24 AM PDT by soccergirl
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To: soccergirl
When "Shoeless" Joe Jackson can be rehabilitated then we can talk about your selfish b*st*rd. Charley Hustle never served his country, only himself. Love him in those Maaco ads. He and Burt Reynolds make quite a pair.
11 posted on 07/06/2002 5:25:09 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother
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To: soccergirl
There you go again---comparing apples and oranges! Are you from Yankee Town by any chance?
12 posted on 07/06/2002 5:51:33 AM PDT by silver fox two
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To: soccergirl
No way was Pete a better hitter than The Splendid Splinter. Using the 162 Game Average its easy to see the difference, a method by which you get a more typical full-season comparison, without regard to actual number of games in the seasons played etc:
PLAYER:   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
ROSE      639   98  194  34  6   7   60   9  7  71  52  .303  .375  .409  262   3   4   8   5  11
WILLIAMS  545  127  188  37  5  37  130   2  1 143  50  .344  .482  .634  345   0   1   6   3  14
So what do we see: in almost 100 FEWER at bats per 162 games, a difference easily accounted for by Roses typical higher position in the lineup, and the fact that he played with teams of generally higher offensive caliber that Ted, Williams still bested Rose in Runs, Doubles, Homers (by alot), RBI (by alot), strikeout, walks (by alot), average (by alot), OBP by over 100 points, slugging percentage by over 200 points, and total bases. He's only six shy inhits and one shy in triples, a difference only due to the markedly fewer AB.

If Ted hadn't taken 3 years off to serve our country (43-45), as well as missing almost 2 complete seasons (52-53) due to injury, Rose's career numbers wouldn't sniff Ted's, except in singles, doubles, and total hits. Best hitter means more than slapping lots of singles, which is what Rose did. Willimas was the Complete Package at the plate.

15 posted on 07/06/2002 6:08:34 AM PDT by cschroe
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To: soccergirl
A couple you missed:

How many years served in military?

How many Migs shot down?

How many times re-enlisted?

Please - obviously we are talking about people from two different categories. One was a great man - the other a great baseball player.

Williams was a better hitter. So Rose lasted 24 years. Who would you want at the plate - Williams or Rose? No contest.

Caption: A Great Man

16 posted on 07/06/2002 6:16:24 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: soccergirl
Let's also compare bennies popped, gamblers associated with, bets made on major league games made . . .

No doubt Pete was a great player, but he knew what the rules were, and he broke them. Does he belong in the HoF? No, but only because of what he did off the field. Does he have my respect as a player who perhaps got more from his abilities than any other (a trait I greatly admire) yes.

I believe in the rule of law, and the law of rules, so please don't compare what Pete did to Babe, or Cobb, or any other player in the HoF. Some of what they did was lousy, but did not rise to the level of what Pete did BASED ON THE RULES OF BASEBALL.

24 posted on 07/06/2002 6:53:12 AM PDT by Andyman
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To: soccergirl
Are you saying that Pete Rose is better than Ted Williams? Did Rose bat .400? Did he hit 521 homers? I don't think so.
30 posted on 07/06/2002 11:16:17 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: soccergirl
You forgot one:

All Time-Record for losing money on games: $1,230,547.75

33 posted on 07/06/2002 11:42:53 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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