[Nov3]

First after reading that post we are a lot closer than I thought on diet. I just think that I feel better, have more energy, no indigestion, no headaches, and maintain a very low body fat with absolutely no exercise other than the miniscule amount I get on my job and around the house. I have friends that literally exercise for hours a day, eat a so called healthy diet, and are still obese.

They were Hunter-Gatherers and do you think they were ALWAYS succesful on the hunt?

In the winter in the northern hemispere, they better be more than occasionally! Also hunter gatherers are a sedentary lot according to most anthropologists. The aboriginees in Australia actually get less exercise and are slimmer in the bush with a fat loaded diet than they are stuffing their faces with a modern diet in society.

I think we can agree that refined carbs and frankenfats are not health food like the AMA, Surgeon General, and a bunch of other doctors say!

[Arioch7]

Well done. Certain groups did use high-fat diets(And were very succesful I might add.) but I think the evolution to the standard hunter-gatherer model and the agriculural society is well founded. It is the model of modern society after all and I think we are much healthier then any humankind in the past. In general.

I do agree that we have reached a health care crisis in the past three decades and I can say that we agree that the refined carbs and processed sugars are VERY bad news.

I was never "Anti-Fat," as others of my ilk were. I do believe in moderation. I think fat is valuable. We all disagree on the ratios that these macro-nutrients should be consumed. Thats cool.

As I said, if the Atkins diet works for you, then you all have no reason to listen to me. My diet works for me, that I can say (As you.) that it works fine, so we will just have to agree to disagree with the specifics.

However, we do share some common ground in acknowledging that fats(Some in my case.) and high-protein are not a bad thing. As a weight-lifter, I have never gone through a low protein diet in my life.

One thing I do not like is the fact that most Atkins people seem to be crusaders. I said that if I ever (After 14 years.) ever lost my health and saw Atkins people performing better then I was, I might give it a try. I have not heard the same.

Dana gave me a decent response about people being different in thier needs and I agree with that. I have tried to be nice, I dont know if everyone thought I was, they seemed offended. I was called many things for viewing my opinion about my system which works for a lot of people.

It was trash, garbage, illogical, and other such things. I am a practical guy, I do what works. If your system worked for me, I would do it. It does not so I don't. I did not call your system anything; I just said I did not agree with it.

I also believe some of you told me I would get sick and ill and although I may have posted studies that decried your diet, I did not offer my opinion much as to the long term health of your diet.

I myself am doing fine and have been for fourteen years. If you all are healthy then I dont see anything wrong with that, do what you do to make you healthy but don't insult me because I am long establishd on my diet and just because it does not meet your criteria, I have been on it long term and have been very healthy.

Hey, I guess we all do what we know works, right? So have at it! It works for you all so go nuts.

I have not eaten a candy bar in twelve years. I have not had cake in the same so I can sort of emphasize with you guys and girls.

Just on a vanity note, I limited my diet from all salt and it was not pretty, salt is a neccesary electolyte and it is consumed way to much but after a couple weeks with none, I could not function.

Again, good luck all and we obviously can not agree, but I must say I am with the modernation posters.

Thats all. :D