[Osorris]

I would like to give a little feedback on the subject. I gained approximately 100 of my extra 128lbs on a lowfat diet that my doctor recommended to me, so that I could avoid getting type 2 diabetes. I ate between 1000 and 1400 calories a day and excersized between 45min and an hour and a half a day5 days a week. That would be a far cry from the lazy sloth filled picture of the couch potato who stuffs thier face all day. It never ceases to amaze me the trash floats out of peoples mouth- the down right bigotry you hear aimed at you as a fat person. "huh huh dont stuff your face lazy and you wont be fat...derrrr"

Reality check- that isnt the way it works for most of us. I worked my tail off and still gained weight. Now, since reading many books on nutrition and diet I decided to give a low carb diet a try. I started with Protien Power and moved on to a general low carb lifestyle. I have lost 69lbs and am well on my way to my goal. I eat around 1800 calories a day- quite a bit more than before but by no means the endless buffet people seem to think low carb dieters eat. No more constant migraines, back aches and muscle pain, now i excersize and enjoy it instead of the dreadful feeling like I was going to collapse halfway though I did before. As a bonus on top of all that my cholesterol dropped 50 points.

My general point is- I have learned from personal experience the low fat hype was just hype. It made me sick and made me gain weight. I am very glad people are finally doing the research and would hope that maybe some of the snotty people who make those blanket statements about slothful lazy fatties would take a moment to look, perhaps research before they spew that kind of trash from thier mouths on occasion. No offense to arioch7 there... it just popped your name up when I went to post, this post wasnt directed at you or anything.

[Arioch7]

I know you are not directing this post directly towards me but since I am here and seem to come back no matter how hard I try to leave...

I would just like to mention that I do not subscribe to the ultra low level fat diet that some do.

Now since most of us are talking about personal anecdotes as well as giving our respective refferences, I would like to add some of my own.

I have never met a person on a low carb diet that stayed thin permanently kept it off. I know that you all have reasons and I can dig it. They stop the diet thus they gain the weight back. I still have NEVER seen one fit person in my life use a low carb diet.

My dad was diagnosed with type2 diabetes and did get his sugar level down to the point that he considered himself diabetes free.

You DO lose weight on the Atkins diet, I am not disputing this. Bodybuilders since the 1970's have used carb depletion to suck out the water and rip them up and lose all excess fat. Almost none of them stay on this diet year round as they find it difficult to train. Hey, thats the majority of them, I think they might be on to something since they do it all the time.

I roiginally lost all my weight on a low CALORIE diet as I did not know much about nutrition. I did that and exercised. After I was thin, I researched the subject and I already told you all the people I model myself after.

I have been in the military, into bodybuilding(As a hobby.) and a martial artist my whole adult life. All of these things I have done on my diet and all of the people who have excelled at these things think like me. The people that I know that is. See, its anecdotal.

I was fat until the age of 16 so I do not consider what I say is discriminatory. I know quite a few people that have found success with weight-watchers but not one with a low carb diet.

I have watched bodybuilders train while they are "carb-depleting" and it is not a pretty sight. None of them stays on that type of diet. I have also seen the off season stuff myself silly approach which is hig-EVERYTHING so carbs ARE included in the mix. This practice has stopped. Bottom line, they do what works for them.

NOw, you can say they are all on steroids and you might be right but I also know plenty of martial artists and military(At least I USED to know MIlitary men.) who think like I do.

Endurance athletes are another story as they (AS A GROUP.) consume much more carbs then both of us but they are among the thinnest athletes known. Again, people said "I know so and so," but I know quite a few and they ALL do what I post.

Now this is all anecdotal and you say it works for you so by all means do it. I mentioned that we cant really agree on this but I do thin that for certain people the Atkins diet might be helpful. I do believe that.

So, more power to you and I wish you luck.