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To: Arioch7
Arioch, There are so many fallacies in your post that I don't even know where to start. You make several basic mistakes. First off, it is only a LOW CALORIE diet that is devoid of protein that causes muscle to burn off. Carbs do not build or maintain muscle, PROTEIN does. Low carb diets are not low calorie and are not low protein, so that is a bogus point.

Nor is there a single study that shows that low carb diets burn muscle. On the other hand, there are MANY that demonstrate that LOW FAT, LOW CALORIE do burn muscle because when the body is deprived it begins to burn off the parts that it doesn't need and/or burns up the most calories. That would be hair and muscle.

Since 95% of the bloody world agrees with me, I could post a billion others. When I posted anything such as carbs being the brains main source of energy, you said I was falling for thier propoganda.

Basically I said it was nonsense, and it is. Simple common sense should tell you that that is silly. If this were true, then people would DIE when deprived of carbs, and nothing of the sort happens. In fact, they THRIVE. People do die when they are deprived of protein and fat, though.

In the article: Simply put, ketosis is evolution's answer to the thrifty gene. We may have evolved to efficiently store fat for times of famine, says Veech, but we also evolved ketosis to efficiently live off that fat when necessary. Rather than being poison, which is how the press often refers to ketones, they make the body run more efficiently and provide a backup fuel source for the brain. Veech calls ketones ''magic'' and has shown that both the heart and brain run 25 percent more efficiently on ketones than on blood sugar. [ Richard Veech, an N.I.H. researcher who studied medicine at Harvard and then got his doctorate at Oxford University with the Nobel Laureate Hans Krebs.]

You are WRONG AGAIN. Just as you claimed ketosis was wrong. Again, it is becuase you simply believe what you were told rather than seriously looking at ALL the studies, which would have told you that low fat is a DISMAL FAILURE that has led to an epidemic of obesity and diabetes II in this country. It is NOT Atkins that needs to be defended here, but this low fat quackery that folks like you continue to push!

You then state:

Since 95% of the bloody world agrees with me, I could post a billion others

Is the truth determined by a majority opinion that has been brainwashed or it is determined by reality? 95% of the world once thought the world was flat. 95% of the world used to think slavery was just dandy. Did that make it right or correct?

The article above explains in detail how this low fat fad all started - maybe you should read it because you need to understand that the SCIENCE IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE and does not support low fat.

360 posted on 07/07/2002 6:30:53 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Dana113
Protein builds muscle mass and carbs fuel glycogen in the muscle. I did not mean to imply that it would burn muscle.

I think carbs give me a better energy source. I eat plenty of protein. Every weight lifter knows exactlly what the macro-nutrients to the body.

I have read all of the studies you have and perhaps some that you have not. I lean more towards muscle and fitness, you lean towards Atkins.

All I am saying is that I am not fat, and no one that trains and eats like me is fat.

I mentioned the fact about a lot of people agreeing with me does not neccesarily make my point valid.

What I should have said is 95% of the sports trainers and athletes agree with me. As do most nutritionists. We are perfectly healthy. The only people I know on the Atkins diet are people that are trying to lose weight. As I said, I was fat my entire life and have not been so for about 14 years.

I always listen to Atkins people in person and they always tell me that it is working, etc, but in the end, they dont look and feel like the people I mentioned above so why should I listen to people that are not fit?

I know some of you might be upset by this but I know some damned fit people in person and they act like me. The problem is I see the results in the Muscle and fitness diet that I do not see with low carb people.

I am sorry I am so biased in regards to your diet but the only when I know who is fit that follows it is still trying but he is a bodybuilder.

I have plenty of information about conditioning and it works for me. I think I will post a question about your diet in the martial arts forum that I go to. I will link it.

Again, I meant no unpleasantry and I am sorry for any hard feelings. I think Zon is a little bit angry but there is no reason. The worst that will happen isI will get all those terrible things so shouldn't you all be trying to help me! :)

362 posted on 07/07/2002 7:12:07 PM PDT by Arioch7
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