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To: Dana113
Protein builds muscle mass and carbs fuel glycogen in the muscle. I did not mean to imply that it would burn muscle.

I think carbs give me a better energy source. I eat plenty of protein. Every weight lifter knows exactlly what the macro-nutrients to the body.

I have read all of the studies you have and perhaps some that you have not. I lean more towards muscle and fitness, you lean towards Atkins.

All I am saying is that I am not fat, and no one that trains and eats like me is fat.

I mentioned the fact about a lot of people agreeing with me does not neccesarily make my point valid.

What I should have said is 95% of the sports trainers and athletes agree with me. As do most nutritionists. We are perfectly healthy. The only people I know on the Atkins diet are people that are trying to lose weight. As I said, I was fat my entire life and have not been so for about 14 years.

I always listen to Atkins people in person and they always tell me that it is working, etc, but in the end, they dont look and feel like the people I mentioned above so why should I listen to people that are not fit?

I know some of you might be upset by this but I know some damned fit people in person and they act like me. The problem is I see the results in the Muscle and fitness diet that I do not see with low carb people.

I am sorry I am so biased in regards to your diet but the only when I know who is fit that follows it is still trying but he is a bodybuilder.

I have plenty of information about conditioning and it works for me. I think I will post a question about your diet in the martial arts forum that I go to. I will link it.

Again, I meant no unpleasantry and I am sorry for any hard feelings. I think Zon is a little bit angry but there is no reason. The worst that will happen isI will get all those terrible things so shouldn't you all be trying to help me! :)

362 posted on 07/07/2002 7:12:07 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Arioch7
Arioch, No one has claimed that Atkins is a diet for professional athletes or that it will turn one into the Terminator [even though he *IS* on Atkins!]. However, I thought I explained that I am a weight lifter [non-professional] with 19.6% body fat, so I know what works best. I guess that makes me an "expert" in your book.

The problem with your contention that: "What I should have said is 95% of the sports trainers and athletes agree with me. " is that none of them are cardiologists, trained researchers, endocrinologists and have conducted no research on thier own. And I doubt that they are experts on how to help a 300 lb sedentary woman lose weight.

Weight trainers are simply not experts, anymore than Joe Schmoe off the street. In fact, many of them still tout the widely discredited low fat myth that has created such health problems in this country. Being fit does not make one an expert on nutrition by a long shot. I also doubt that any of them are on Weight WAtchers or The Zone but that certainly does not render those diets ineffective.

If being fit is the criteria, then *I* must be an expert because I am extremely fit for a 45 year old woman. Rather, an expert is defined by WHAT THEY KNOW and whether it is TRUE or not. Anyone who claims that low fat is the way does not know what they are talking about, no matter how fit. On the other hand, someone who is extremely UNFIT probably doesn't have a clue either if they can't even get themselves in shape.

Even so, no one is suggesting the Atkins diet is for weight lifters or professional athletes, only that carb loading is foolish. Thier metabolism is dramatically different from a 300 pound, sedentary woman with diabetes II who has abused her body for years with refined carbs.

363 posted on 07/07/2002 7:34:52 PM PDT by Dana113
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