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To: Arioch7
I can show MANY more cultures that are more healthy and productive then the ones named in the articles. Asian cultures come to mind. Carbohydrates are NOT devoid of nutrients. I have alreadt posted that they are the MAIN source of energy for the brain. None of the other macro nutrients provide this energy for the brain, which might explain why the cultures you mentioned are all dying and almost extinct and the cultures I mentioned are thriving. I know its reaching on my part but it is true.

Arioch, yes that is really reaching because if carbs were essential to survivial, then one would die *WHEN* deprived of them, not 5 generations later. That makes no sense. One does die, however, when deprived of protein and fat. And Alaskans are certainly not dead by any stretch, just a little unhealthier, sicker and fatter with the advent of the typical high carb American food pyramid diet [per recent studies]. There is untold evidence of people surviving just fine without carbs.

Even so, noone here is advocating a NO carb diet and sees the value in the proper amount of UNREFINED carbs. There are some nutrients in vegetables that can't be found in meat, eggs, etc. No one denies that. Certainly NOT as nutritionally rich, but important to overall health.

Further, the Asians have a diet that consists of very little refined carbs and they do not have the obesity that we do. They are certainly not extinct! Nor are the French or Italian, who have moderate to high fat diets. You are basically claiming that any culture that has a high fat diet is extinct - or on thier way out - yet you produce NONE. Not one.

So maybe you aren't convinced despite NUMEROUS examples and studies but that is really your own blindess and stubbornness. None are so blind than those who refuse to see. It's not my job to convince you against your will and against all reason and logic. That is your issue entirely.

Numerous cardiologists, and researchers at prestigious universities like University of Pennsylvania, Duke University, Purdue, Harvard, Science Magazine among many ARE convinced and I think I will stick with them. In fact, my health warrants it.

Senator Parduk has stated that NO pro athlete uses this diet and was met with scorn. The fact is that pro athletes are the pinnacle of fitness and should be emulated.

He was met with scorn because it is a bogus point. Most people are not body builders. One does not judge a diet by WHO uses it but by the merits of the diet. I know of none who are on Weight Watchers or The Zone, however, that does not mean they are bad diets. If you are going to judge a diet on THIS bogus standard you have erected, then you have to HAIL the Atkins diet because Arnold Schwarzenegger is on it and writes about it in his book.

282 posted on 07/06/2002 8:31:56 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Dana113; All
Historically speaking, America has ALWAYS been a high fat, high protein country. It is only in the last two decades that people in America have embraced low fat.

Our American diet has ALWAYS been the type of diet you advocate. 15 years is the time we have advocated less meat.

If you want to use historical guidelines, then we in the US have been on your type of diet almost our whole history.

Japan is the country that has the most longevity, the most healthy people in the world. That is FACT.

When Japanese Americans start to eat our high fat/high protein diet, they become like us... unhealthy.

BTW, the points I mentioned above are SCIENTIFIC FACT, if you wish to argue them, that is your perogative, yet it is STILL FACT.

People on the Japanese diet are the healthiest people in the world, THAT IS FACT.

As far as Eskimos being tainted by our dietary choices, I just dont buy it.

I will say again, the unhealthy American diet has remained UNCHANGED throughout history except for a decade when we chose to be more like new age freaks. You can show me studies that are partisan to your point of view but I will maintain that Japan is the HEALTHIEST country in the world. Period. EVERY study confirms this.

I choose to emulate the Asian model, you do not. Geez, why dont you tell your average asian(who is almosy NEVER overweight.) to eat cheese burgers without the bun. They would laugh in your face. Of course, you waould say that if they are American-Asians(I hate hyphens but they are neccesary in this case.) that they are eating to many buns.

I question the whole blasted premise! Lets have two months and we can all post our pictures online. Here is a prediction, I will post and the pro-atkins people will not, lets put our money where our mouth is.

I have posted about all the people who subcribe to my method and truth be told you all have ignored HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people. The anecdotal evidence of three of you does not even come CLOSE to repudiating my claim.

I put my money where my mouth is, I am bookmarking this thread and I want to SEE for myself the results. I am giving you all two months, so you SHOULD be able to make my claim.

You all know where I stand so it should not ne a problem. Personally, I think after two months, all of you Atkins fans will die off anyway but prove me wrong!

Is that GOOD enough for ya? If my diet is so dangerous, you have NOTHING to worry about! I will answer ALL freep mail responses to this and I will not forget,

You will ALL be gone after a year, trust me. :D

310 posted on 07/06/2002 10:11:33 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Dana113

One does not judge a diet by WHO uses it but by the merits of the diet. I know of none who are on Weight Watchers or The Zone, however, that does not mean they are bad diets. If you are going to judge a diet on THIS bogus standard you have erected, then you have to HAIL the Atkins diet because Arnold Schwarzenegger is on it and writes about it in his book.

That's right. Also, you can usually tell whether a person is sincere and honest or a blowhard by whether or not they acknowledge and then correct their errors.

312 posted on 07/06/2002 11:04:35 PM PDT by Zon
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