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Historically speaking, America has ALWAYS been a high fat, high protein country. It is only in the last two decades that people in America have embraced low fat.

Our American diet has ALWAYS been the type of diet you advocate. 15 years is the time we have advocated less meat.

If you want to use historical guidelines, then we in the US have been on your type of diet almost our whole history.

Japan is the country that has the most longevity, the most healthy people in the world. That is FACT.

When Japanese Americans start to eat our high fat/high protein diet, they become like us... unhealthy.

BTW, the points I mentioned above are SCIENTIFIC FACT, if you wish to argue them, that is your perogative, yet it is STILL FACT.

People on the Japanese diet are the healthiest people in the world, THAT IS FACT.

As far as Eskimos being tainted by our dietary choices, I just dont buy it.

I will say again, the unhealthy American diet has remained UNCHANGED throughout history except for a decade when we chose to be more like new age freaks. You can show me studies that are partisan to your point of view but I will maintain that Japan is the HEALTHIEST country in the world. Period. EVERY study confirms this.

I choose to emulate the Asian model, you do not. Geez, why dont you tell your average asian(who is almosy NEVER overweight.) to eat cheese burgers without the bun. They would laugh in your face. Of course, you waould say that if they are American-Asians(I hate hyphens but they are neccesary in this case.) that they are eating to many buns.

I question the whole blasted premise! Lets have two months and we can all post our pictures online. Here is a prediction, I will post and the pro-atkins people will not, lets put our money where our mouth is.

I have posted about all the people who subcribe to my method and truth be told you all have ignored HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people. The anecdotal evidence of three of you does not even come CLOSE to repudiating my claim.

I put my money where my mouth is, I am bookmarking this thread and I want to SEE for myself the results. I am giving you all two months, so you SHOULD be able to make my claim.

You all know where I stand so it should not ne a problem. Personally, I think after two months, all of you Atkins fans will die off anyway but prove me wrong!

Is that GOOD enough for ya? If my diet is so dangerous, you have NOTHING to worry about! I will answer ALL freep mail responses to this and I will not forget,

You will ALL be gone after a year, trust me. :D

Arioch, As usual, you do not know of what you speak and never back up your claims. I have supported every claim I have made. You are simply parroting popular propoganda that you "heard" [with no substantiation] that is easily dispelled with the original article that started this debate and the subsequent ones I have posted. [did you even read the article??]

you wrote: As far as Eskimos being tainted by our dietary choices, I just dont buy it.

Of course you don't buy it because you DON'T KNOW. You research nothing. You are only guessing and making it up as you go along. My claims are backed up with research - yours are not. The reason I believe in Atkins is because I have RESEARCHED IT and let the FACTS and the SCIENCE bring me to my conclusions - NOT the other way around. As is common with you anti-low carb people, you cannot back your claims up because you have NOT come to the conclusion honestly via FACTS, evidence from your own research. You simply take the lazy man's way out and parrot what you HAVE HEARD. You have come to a conclusion based on OTHER PEOPLE'S opinions and that is why you get caught with your pants down like this.

Let's look at the a study about native Alaskans:

Dietary Changes and Obesity Associated With Glucose Intolerance in Alaska Natives

Reference: Murphy, N.J., Schraer, C.D., Thiele, M.C., et al., "Dietary Changes and Obesity Associated With Glucose Intolerance in Alaska Natives," Journal of the American Dietetic Association, 95(6), 1995, pages 676-682.

Summary: Obesity was virtually nonexistent in Alaska in aboriginal times, when carbohydrate consumption comprised only 3 to 5 percent of the total diet. Between 1962 and 1972, incidence of obesity was significantly higher than it had been 25 years prior. By 1978, carbohydrates constituted 50 percent of total calories, with a majority of those carbohydrates being of low nutrient-density. Researchers in this study sought to investigate associations between changes in food intake and its relation to body weight and glucose intolerance in Alaskan natives. In this study, nutrition screenings of 1,124 participants (20 years of age and older) were completed in 15 Alaskan villages during 1987 and 1988. Subjects were classified into those who ate native ethnic foods and those who ate Western foods. Body Mass Index was used to define weight status. Researchers noted that Athabascan Indians had twice the rate of non-insulin dependent diabetes (NIDDM) as did Yup'ik Eskimos. This appeared to be related to eating greater amounts of non-indigenous foods (white bread, soda, Tang/Hi-C, potatoes, rice cereal, shortening and deep fried foods), while at the same time eating fewer native carbohydrates (greens, berries, Eskimo potato) and fats (salmon/fish and seal oil). Subjects who were glucose intolerant weighed more than other subjects and consumed less seal oil and more non-ethnic, Western protein. Individuals underage 30 consumed significantly less indigenous protein and fat and more low-nutrient-density carbohydrate than individuals 60 and older. The authors noted that increased consumption of sweetened soda, increased incidence of overweight, midsection obesity and loss of fitness in Arctic children parallel non-Arctic children as do the escalating rates of NIDDM in children. The authors concluded that lower intake of seal and salmon fat was the most important factor in the increased rates of obesity and NIDDM in Alaska.

Arioch7 states "Japan is the country that has the most longevity, the most healthy people in the world. That is FACT."

Where is this a proven fact, in FACT the Japanese have much higher rates of stomach cancer and strokes. I would say it is highly subjective to state they are the healthiest.

The alleged health of the Japanese diet may be due to other factors like their higher intake of Omega 3 fatty acids (they eat more fish) or their higher intake of green tea, or maybe even their lower consumption of carcinogenic, heart damaging Omega 6 fatty acids. The point is that we don’t know, and copying part of someone else’s diet because you think you know what’s going on is erroneous.

Got this info from www.geocities.com/tbkfitness/l owfat.html