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Friday, July 5, 2002

Quote of the Day by usconservative

1 posted on 07/04/2002 10:53:25 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
This author seems to believe "speed limits" were and are somehow intended to make motor travel safer.

This is a fallacy. I won't flat-out tell you what "speed limits" are, but I'll give you a hint: Starts with a "t" and ends with "ax".

2 posted on 07/04/2002 11:19:41 PM PDT by Jonathon Spectre
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I've driven the I-15 from San Diego, CA to Pocatello, ID about 20 times over the last year. The top posted speed limit is 75 MPH from North Las Vegas to exit 260 south of Provo, UT. The only slowdown is the segment from Littlefield, AZ to St. George, UT where the winding Virgin River Gorge makes slowing down necessary for safety. In all those trips, I've seen few drivers anxious to exceed the 75 MPH posted limit. There is a construction area immediately north of Beaver, UT where the speed is limited to 60 MPH for a 3 mile stretch because of construction equipment. Be advised that 18 wheel trucks maintain a 75-80 MPH speed in Utah and Nevada. There is no lower speed limit assigned to big trucks in those states as one finds in California and Idaho.

The San Diego area has max posted speeds of 65 MPH on I-5 and I-805. It is rare to see people drive under 70 MPH when the traffic flow will allow it. CHP simply doesn't have the manpower to ticket everyone violating the law. If you actually try to OBEY the speed limit, you may get a citation for dangerously impeding traffic flow.

6 posted on 07/05/2002 12:20:48 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: JohnHuang2
Good article. We recently traveled to Pa. and kept the cruise control at 73mph. Were passed by many even at that. Only problem I had was someone passing me and swerving infront of me and slowing down to avoid a speed trap. 75 is a perfect speed for the interstates.
16 posted on 07/05/2002 2:35:18 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: JohnHuang2
I drive about 8 mph over the posted speed limit on interstate highways. I've passed by many radar sites and have never gotten a ticket.
17 posted on 07/05/2002 2:44:39 AM PDT by RightWinger
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To: JohnHuang2; NMFXSTC; Myrddin
I lived in Germany for many a year. My apartment was in a city called Erlangen- near Nuernberg and the post where I was stationed was in Schweinfurt- 100 km (60 miles) away. I drove back and forth every day (weekends excepted) and had a choice of two routes- up the A3 or up the A73/A70. This totalled 1,000 kilometers weekly or around the Earth more than once each year. (in case anybody's curious- Subaru Justy- not a speedy car- just reliable). I also took many, many trips to other places and countries and have been on most of the major Autobahns that Germany has to offer. You want the best one to drive on?- The stretch of A3 between Nuernburg and Munich- 3 lanes no speed limit and a sheer pleasure to drive.

Anyway, from my personal experience, this article is dead on the money. Most people, I found, seemed to be comfortable driving between 120 and 140 km/h (approx. 70 to 85 mph). Me and my Justy, we did 120 and used 130 for overtaking to maximize the fuel economy versus time spent travelling. My 60 mile one way trip took one hour on average (this is, of course the little roads before and after the Autobahn figured in too). Of course there were people who drove faster- and not just faster but dramatically faster. Mostly BMWs, some jealous Audis, the occasional Porsche- that sort of thing.

But by and large, most people tended to stay within that range I've just described. I never once saw an accident, although I was in quite a few Staus (traffic jams) which were caused by a few. Most of the Staus I ran into were caused by construction (which the Germans are always doing to the Autobahn). As a child and adult in America I witnessed more traffic accidents, some with fatalities than I can count. I don't have any hard facts or statistics, just my personal observations and they back up what the article says.

I think a higher speed limit would be a good thing and also I didn't find the Germans to be unsafe drivers- actually, to the contrary. They took the rules of the road seriously- especially the left lane for passing only rule. I mean Germans take rules seriously as a general rule period- traffic laws especially. I'd like to see some statistics comparing German versus American traffic fatalities but I would be surprised if Germany had more statistically than the USA (even adjusted for population).

18 posted on 07/05/2002 3:51:11 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: JohnHuang2
so if the cars of the 1950s were deemed safe to operate at 75-80 mph

I was there, believe me, they weren't. Every other part of the article I basically agree with. My own view is that on a typical three-lane highway, the speed limit in the right lane should be 60, and then 65 and 75 in the center and left lanes.

20 posted on 07/05/2002 4:03:29 AM PDT by medved
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If the majority – indeed, the overwhelming majority – of American motorists are driving faster than the posted limit, the limit is clearly too low. Something is amiss when the majority of drivers on any given road at any given time are technically guilty of "speeding." We're either a nation of maniacs who love to defy death – or we're simply guilty of paying no mind to legal technicalities erected by greedy politicians to help them rob us blind.

With more people opting to drive rather than fly, raising the speed limit may become necessary. Raising the speed limit will then make driving competitive with the shorter commuter flights.

Yesterday, while returning from Texas to SC, I noticed most people were driving 80 mph. The highway patrols were out in force, but were not pulling a lot over.

21 posted on 07/05/2002 4:32:05 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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This so-called "85th percentile" speed is based on the altogether sound idea that most drivers are neither reckless nor suicidal – and usually drive within safe limits.

Since reading about setting the original Interstate speed limits at the 85 percentile several years ago in the WSJ, I began to think the 85 %ile and other super-majorities would very comforting alternatives to simple majorities for many of the activities of government. For example, how about an 85% majority to increase taxes? Or to pass major new legislation. Hillary Care would never have stood a chance (not that it passed anyway, but there were some tense moments) of getting a super majority.

Super majorities would provide additional checks on power. Currently, special interest lobbyists, needing only a simple majority need only to lobby for a few votes to add to those honestly in favor and those corruptly bought, to pass bills not favored by the citizenry. Just this week, the citizens of Tennessee fought heroically to thwart yet another push for a state income tax opposed by the citizens but favored by those with power and those who expected to benefit.

Simple majority democracy favors minorities seeking benefits over majorities who will pay for them. Benefit recipients, both direct and indirect, stand to gain proportionally more than those who must pay stand to lose. Ergo, they expend more effort attempting to enact and expand the benefit. The pressure is to grow government.

Super majorities in the legislatures would ensure that significant change has broad support. Simple majorities can, and often do, produce divisive laws that increase the level of hostility in society and serve to divide, rather than unite. Here in Connecticut, we "enjoy" a state income tax that passed by a single vote. It divided the state. Its main proponent, Lowell Weiker, Jr. refused to face an enraged electorate and high-tailed it out of the state when his term was up.

Super majority rule would have saved our country from the uselessness and corruption of the Departments of Energy and Education. For those who think this would mean the end of government actions, I point to President Bush who proposed the Department of Homeland Security in the wake of September 11. Does anyone think a super majority will not be found for this?

22 posted on 07/05/2002 5:19:42 AM PDT by laredo44
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80 mph? What do we do with the people who can't drive? I like it the way it is.....speed limit of 60 ----it's easier for me to pass everybody.
23 posted on 07/05/2002 5:22:39 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: JohnHuang2
Moreover, people who still insist upon driving 55 or 60-mph in the far left lane

Ahh yes, the Minnesota Flying Wedge! Who else has had the pleasure of tailing the bozo for 15 miles on an Interstate because he just knows he can pass that other car when they both have their cruise control set at five miles below the posted speed limit?

Around Minneapolis and St. Paul (Heck, most of Minnesota and parts of Iowa), I found that it is quicker and less congested in the far-right lane.

Hmmm, that was about the time I found out I really was a Republican.

24 posted on 07/05/2002 5:24:42 AM PDT by woofer
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To: JohnHuang2
Cool! Didn't know I had QOTD! Next time flag me will ya?

Far as speed limits go, I have two thoughts on them.

First, we need them as a matter of public safety. Along with MAXIMUM speed limits, we should have MINIMUM speed limits and they should be strictly enforced too! Anyone driving 40 on the highway should be ticketed and REMOVED from the road, period.

Second, Our speed limits are TOO LOW. Our roads were built to handle 70+ and cars today are MUCH SAFER than they were in the 60's and 70's where the school of thought was "bigger, heavier, more rigid" bodies that didn't absorb impacts. We could easily have speed limits of 75+ on highways outside of metropolitan areas. Just my opinion though.

25 posted on 07/05/2002 5:31:42 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: JohnHuang2
299,792,458 meters/second. It's not just a good idea, it's the law.
26 posted on 07/05/2002 5:53:47 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: JohnHuang2
...and by cars passing "left lane hogs" occupying the far-left (passing) lane who refuse to yield to faster-moving traffic.

These folks are democrats by and large -- they naturally gravitate to the left and want to hold other folks back.

28 posted on 07/05/2002 6:16:31 AM PDT by Junior
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