English And Welsh Are Races Apart

BBC ^ | 6-30-2002

[Fiddlstix]

Fiddlstx, let's launch a claim to get out castle back! From there, we can take back London. Tomorrow, the world!

Let's Do It!
LOL

[blam]

Besides, everyone knows that the lost tribes of Israel all crossed into North America via the old land bridge and settled in Fargo, North Dakota.

This statue was found by archaeologist while digging through the ruins of the Olmecs ( the big Negroid looking heads) in Vera Cruz, Mexico. Do you care to speculate what people are represented by this statue in North America in prehistoric times? (Phoenicians?)

[blam]

Was America A Phoenician Colony?

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

All,

This has been one of the most fascinating posts I have EVER read on FR! Thank you everybody! I have been sitting here mesmerized for more than two of hours reading all the threads. It has been a tremendous education and treat! Thank you again.

[LostTribe]

BLAM comes up with all kinds of good topics.

[Rebelbase]

Seven Nations, Celtic Rock.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

Thank you LostTribe and blam.

[blam]

"Thank you LostTribe and blam."

You're welcome. LT is the brains, I just stir the pot. There is a lot more at Gods, Graves, Glyphs that was set up by Ernest_at_the_Beach, but I can't tell you how to get there. lol. (Ernest will be along shortly and provide a link)

[Luis Gonzalez]

No, I'm not related to Fidel in any way, shape, or form...but this guy is.

[aristeides]

I knew that Wagner uses "welsch" (the cognate in German to our "Welsh") in Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg to refer to what is French, so I looked "welsch" up in a German etymological dictionary. Seems the original Germanic noun referred to Celts, and in particular to the Gallic tribe called "Volcae" in Latin. Because of the Roman occupation of the Gallic areas in France, Northern Italy, etc., some Germanic peoples applied the term to Romance peoples like the French and Italians. The Anglo-Saxons invading Britain applied the term to the Welsh, who were both Celtic and semi-Romanized.

[aristeides]

I don't think there's anything particularly Celtic in bagpipes originally. It's just that the playing of them has survived in peripheral regions of Europe, in many of which Celtic languages also happen to have survived. I believe originally bagpipes were played throughout Europe. Augustin of "Ach du lieber Augustin" was a Dudelsackpfeifer, i.e., bagpipe player, at the time of the Turkish siege of Vienna, i.e., long after Germans displaced Celts in Vienna.

[syriacus]

These ISRAELITE CELTIC GENTILES made up the bulk of the early Christians, and all the promises they received as Israelites were, and are, still good today. Gods inheritance has no statue of limitations.

Is the Israel-Celt connection the reason that Irish Gaelic and Hebrew sound so similar? I was shocked the first time I heard someone speaking Gaelic on an audio tape my daughter had. I thought the language learning company had packed a Hebrew tape in the box by mistake.

[aristeides]

I am an Irish-American who studied Biblical Hebrew for a couple of years and who made a valiant but unsuccessful effort to learn Gaelic. I assure you, the languages are unrelated except to the extent all Semitic and Indo-European languages might be related. Both families have gender, number, case, and person. Adjectives agree with their nouns, and verbs agree with their subjects in some of these categories. Semitic roots are pretty obviously composed of three consonants, with vowels inserted at various positions to make the forms derived from those roots. Turns out that the earliest version of Indo-European that can be reconstructed, once Hittite is taken into account, also has triconsonantal roots. So it's possible that Semitic and Indo-European may ultimately be related, but beyond that Hebrew and Gaelic are unrelated.

[aristeides]

The Galician (Gallego) dialect is almost identical to Portuguese. When I visited Santiago de Compostela, I was able, having just spent a year studying Portuguese, to make myself understood to the locals.

[aristeides]

In the book The Story of English they make the point that the Welsh and the people of Normandy can make themselves understood with either of them speaking the others' language.

I think the point must have been made about the people of Brittany, not Normandy. Norman dialect now is just a form of French. Originally, in the Middle Ages, Normandy was settled by Norsemen, but they quickly adopted French as their language. By the time they conquered England in 1066, I don't think there were any traces left of their original Scandinavian language.

[aristeides]

I don't agree that Germans are just another variety of Celts. Germanic languages are not particularly close to Celtic languages. Celtic languages seem to related considerably more closely to Italic languages like Latin. Surely you wouldn't say that the speakers of Italic languages were just another variety of Celts?

[aristeides]

What evidence do you have of the Norman conquerors of England speaking any language besides Norman French? I am totally unaware of any evidence of their speaking some Celtic dialect.

[aristeides]

I guess the Celtic parties that are least socialist are the governing parties in Ireland. So maybe the thing to do is to give these countries independence, so that they actually have to make a go of things, and not rely on subventions from England.

[LostTribe]

>I don't agree that Germans are just another variety of Celts. Germanic languages are not particularly close to Celtic languages.

Sorry, but as long as you insist on going exculsively down the language road and ignoring all the other facts of history and Bible you are going to be frustrated. Language is simply a VERY POOR INDICATOR of roots, especially over the long time periods we are examining. Ask any real linguist/archeologist.

[LostTribe]

> Normandy was settled by Norsemen, but they quickly adopted French as their language. By the time they conquered England in 1066, I don't think there were any traces left of their original Scandinavian language.

It is astounding that you can be so cock sure the Norsemen totally lost their lingustic heritage IN ONLY THREE GENERATIONS or less, but everyone else you promote doesn't lose theirs in THOUSANDS OF YEARS! Don't you consider this ironic?