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To: gcruse
I wonder if the Founding Fathers sinned when they resisted the authorities... namely King George III.
8 posted on 07/03/2002 9:23:45 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
Evidently, 'cause 216 years later we reaped a whirlwind.
9 posted on 07/03/2002 9:30:57 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Darth Sidious
I wonder if the Founding Fathers sinned when they resisted the authorities... namely King George III.

"If you have not a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
Jesus was a adical of the period. He turned over the tables at the temple. 60 solders were sent to arrest him when it was time for him to fullfill prophacy. One prophet cut off a soldiers ear!
If Jesus was as timid as they say, why send 60 soldiers to get him?
Jesus was kind to his followers and taught his followers to be kind to one another and strangers, but Jesus was a threat to the powers that be because he preached worship of the father rather than the Priests and Pharoes. That made him a desenter. His priorities were heavenly, and publically spoke out against the rulers of the day.
"If your rightousness does not exceed that of the pharoes......"

12 posted on 07/03/2002 9:39:23 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Darth Sidious; Demidog; nunya bidness; Jerry_M
I wonder if the Founding Fathers sinned when they resisted the authorities... namely King George III. 8 posted on 7/3/02 9:23 PM Pacific by Darth Sidious

No.

The "obey the Government" passage applies to a good Government... one which "punishes Evil" (Murder, Adultery, Theft, Fraud, Coercion -- Romans 13: 8-10), and respects Virtue.

Christians should obey that sort of Government... the Government which prevailed under the Equitable and Virtuous Seneca of Rome, who was the "Prime Minister" under Nero's early Government when Paul wrote that Passage.

Seneca was famously Constitutional and Just.

It is often pointed out, by "Submissive" christians, that the Government of Nero which followed Nero's coercive-murder of Seneca was indeed Tyrannical; and they seek to justify Christian Surrender on that basis. But there is absolutely no reason to apply Paul's words to that sort of Government. That was not the sort of Government which Paul was writing about at the time.

Paul was writing about Seneca. Besides Ron Paul, have you seen any hint of Seneca from your Government lately?

13 posted on 07/03/2002 9:43:10 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Darth Sidious
I wonder if the Founding Fathers sinned when they resisted the authorities... namely King George III.

Actually, the political literature of their day included several books derived from the famous Chapter XX of Calvin's Institutes. Since magistrates are in the business of doing justice (enforcing God's law), we honor God by resisting those who go off the rails. The American "revolution" was more of a conservative counter-revolution, under the direction of duly constituted "lesser magistrates," against the revolutionary madness of King George and his renegade parliment.

72 posted on 07/05/2002 6:51:24 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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