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1 posted on 07/03/2002 12:10:45 PM PDT by gordgekko
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To: gordgekko
bump
2 posted on 07/03/2002 12:20:45 PM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: Carry_Okie
Thought you'd like to read this.
3 posted on 07/03/2002 12:24:41 PM PDT by m1911
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To: gordgekko
Damn right - we want "our" lands back. Greenpeace and the rest of the envirowackos need to be detained and "rehabilitated".
4 posted on 07/03/2002 12:25:33 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: gordgekko
A society in which government owns the sources of production, and controls the use of private land is not a free society.

I'm so pissed off here at the Missionary Ridge Fire, I can't hardly type....I've seen and helped people/friends vacate from this inferno...I gotta tell ya'll...keep yer powder dry, and if you have the misfortune to runoverinto one of these green holier than thou pieces of sh*t arseholes....well, keep yer powder dry.

FMCDH

11 posted on 07/03/2002 1:50:52 PM PDT by nothingnew
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To: gordgekko; Carry_Okie; forester; AuntB; brityank; madfly; farmfriend; dixiechick; blackie; ...
Great find and post! I have book marked it.

I would modify this important paragraph: Every environmental organization that has sued, or lobbied to prevent logging, and to close forest roads, should be required to man the front lines against every wildfire that burns. To read:

Every enviral nazi who has pushed the no roads policy, no harvesting of even dead trees and no brush removal should be forced to fight these fires all summer, this fall and into winter.

They should be taken up into smoke jumping airplanes and fitted in air with a parachute and give a 30 second lesson on how to jump and survive. Then,use cattle prods force them out of the planes. Just before they jump, strap a hoe dag and one canteen of water around their necks. Then push them out.

Once on earth in the middle or on the edge of a roaring fire that is the direct result of their agenda, they can decide to hug a tree or fight the fire.

Why make them jump? Because with the road closures, they are forcing our smoke jumpers to jump into places a decade ago that fire fighters and heavy equipment could have been driven up to fight the fire. How many smoke jumpers have been killed or injured because they had to jump into an area to fight a fire due to closed roads?

Last but not least, is there some Enviral Agenda against using bull dozers and power wagons to make fire lanes? It seems like all we see are pictures of humans fight fires and no heavy duty equipment!

16 posted on 07/03/2002 3:47:01 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: gordgekko
Excellent thread!
20 posted on 07/03/2002 4:06:27 PM PDT by lakey
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To: gordgekko
It's too late to ask why the west is burning, everyone already knows it is the result of absurd environmental policies that have prevented logging to thin the fuel; the "roadless" policy that prevents firefighters from having access to the forests; and the Endangered Species Act, that won't allow heavy equipment in critical habitat to cut firebreaks.

Everybody says it, but they don't know it -- because it's not really true. The way Lamb puts it, it's as if big fires only happened only after environmentalists changed the policies -- which is categorically false.

And when he decries the lack of fire roads and the ESA's constraints on building fire breaks, Lamb himself is guilty of perpetuating the very problems he claims to want to solve. After all, the primary human contribution to the forest fire problem is not a result of logging policy, but of putting out fires, which allows the buildup of the understory.

But even this is an exercise in human arrogance, of the same sort that informs the global warming debate. It's not as if the understory never built up before the USFS came into being, and it's not as if immense and destructive fires never occurred without our help.

As with global warming, natural phenomena are being blamed on humanity in order to further a political agenda.

Whether or not we agree with Lamb's basic premise is beside the point: he's demagoguing us, and he shouldn't be.

23 posted on 07/03/2002 4:12:53 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: gordgekko
BUMP!
30 posted on 07/03/2002 8:13:37 PM PDT by AuntB
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