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The CSA exposed.
1 posted on 07/02/2002 3:37:44 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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“They were rebels, and they are traitors to the United States. Nations normally don't honor traitors …”

Traitors like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, et al?
If the South had won their independence, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson would be even bigger heroes.

2 posted on 07/02/2002 3:43:24 AM PDT by R. Scott
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Mark
3 posted on 07/02/2002 3:43:56 AM PDT by azhenfud
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Gordon, a retired astrophysicist

Explains why historians should write about astrophysics. Gordon clearly does not know what he is talking about. There are numerous contemporary Union sources that confirm that Blacks, as well as Indians and Jews all fought for the South. Slavery was moribund regardless of the outcome of the unnecessary Civil War. IMHO, the War set back race relations and Black progress in this country.

6 posted on 07/02/2002 3:59:19 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Those with no history, to speak of, re-writing ours.

Simply devisive pap for the parasitic lemming types.

8 posted on 07/02/2002 4:06:40 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: WhiskeyPapa; stand watie
"Those who say blacks fought for the South should look at Confederate documents, which ban blacks serving as regular members of the Army. They also need to look at records showing that those who did serve deserted when they got the chance. "

Well now, we can't argue with the records now, can we?

17 posted on 07/02/2002 5:14:37 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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"The South won in peace what it lost on the battlefield," Gordon said.

That explains it! I've always wondered why slavery was still legal in the US and why states' rights always trumped anything at the federal level. I'm so glad the nice astrophysicist cleared that up.

18 posted on 07/02/2002 5:18:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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"A slave didn't have a choice. If his master said he was going, the slave couldn't say no. He was a slave."

Government: You are going to pay taxes.

21 posted on 07/02/2002 5:32:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: WhiskeyPapa; 4ConservativeJustices; sheltonmac; shuckmaster; stainlessbanner; GOPcapitalist; ...
When talk turns to the Civil War and blacks' role with the Confederacy, there is no room for revisionist theories for Asa R Gordon

Well Asa, there's a lot of black folks walking around whose grandparents and great grandparents are telling them bold faced lies about fighting for the South then!!

In the United States, Confederate memorials dot the countryside. The flag is flown with pride. The Nazi flag - and Nazi leaders - inspire hatred.

And you know what? There's even a few to the brave black soldiers who fought for the South!! What are you going to do about those? Tear them down? Wouldn't that be racist of you

And looky here. Why say it ain't so, Walt!!!

Asa supports the SPLC!!

Here's a page all about Asa and the 'wonderful' organizations he supports. This fool couldn't even get into another organization so I guess he had to start his own!!!! And right from Asa's page

The Douglass Institute of Government (DIG) is an educational " think tank " dedicated to research and policy studies on African - American culture, history, and relevant contemporary issues in support of Frederick Douglass' admonition to a young student: "Agitate, agitate, agitate".

Affirmative action is widely thought to be unfair because it benefits minority applicants at the expense of more deserving whites. Yet this perception tends to inflate the cost beyond its real proportions. While it is true that affirmative action gives minority applicants a significant boost in selective admissions, it is not true that most white applicants would fare better if elite schools eliminated the practice. Understanding why is crucial to separating fact from fiction in the national debate over affirmative action. ...These figures show that rejected white applicants have every reason not to blame their misfortune on affirmative action. In selective admissions, the competition is so intense that even without affirmative action, the overwhelming majority of rejected white applicants still wouldn't get in.

Gee Walt do you think you could come up with anybody else further to the left than Asa? Or anymore racist? Click on the link!! It's a joke

The CSA exposed.

More like Walt exposed. Do you support the SPLC and Morris Dees, Walt?

22 posted on 07/02/2002 5:32:52 AM PDT by billbears
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More tripe from the master of cut-n-paste!
24 posted on 07/02/2002 5:34:26 AM PDT by RightWinger
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I think -- as in most things in life -- the truth lies somewhere in between these two extremes:

Extreme One: The North fought a war against the South because they were acting out of altrusim and love for black people, and only wanted to bring it's wayward cousin, the Antebellum South, into civilization.

Extreme Two: The South was fighting a war against the North only to prevent excessive federalism, to promote states rights, and to preserve the right of secession.

25 posted on 07/02/2002 5:39:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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Lincoln's second inaugural address closed with these words:

"..... With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan... to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

None of these ignorant race-baiting history revisionists seem to comprehend Lincoln's intentions in speaking these words, nor can they be credited with trying to make those words a reality...

30 posted on 07/02/2002 5:48:25 AM PDT by azhenfud
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"A slave didn't have a choice. If his master said he was going, the slave couldn't say no. He was a slave."

What crap.
Of course this is purely a "black slave" thing, the reluctance to go get killed.

Funny, I failed to see even a hint of a mention of the violent northern riots against conscription by whites who felt exactly the same way about fighting a war they wanted no part of.

35 posted on 07/02/2002 5:57:04 AM PDT by Publius6961
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Please read a History book! The United States of America was itself born of Treason against England! Maybe you prefer to bow down before a king, but I like my freedom just fine thank you!!
51 posted on 07/02/2002 6:29:41 AM PDT by Destructor
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Asa is a racist, so what weight does his opion carry?

"A contemporary renaissance man: Scientist, Founder of an African American think tank, a Union leader, Civil rights activist, Historian, and Entrepreneur.

Asa's work as a scientist for NASA appears in international scientific journals. His research has been employed by private industry, domestic and foreign, for tracking satellites in space.

Asa is founder and executive director of the Douglass Institute of Government (D.I.G.). DIG is an "Educational Think Tank" dedicated to research and policy studies to carry out Frederick Douglass council to a young student as to what he could do to serve his people -- "agitate, agitate, agitate."

Asa has lectured on various subjects of African-American history and culture and contemporary issues at: universities, libraries, secondary and primary schools, and correctional institutions. He has given special lectures on Black music at the invitation of the Howard University Jazz Department (Asa's work in science and music is referenced in Ivan Van Sertima's "Blacks in Science Ancient and Modern").

Asa has a distinguished history as lecturer on topics in Black History, including Black Cowboys, the Seminole Indians, Jazz, and motion pictures like Glory and Liberators. His close relationship with the producers/directors of Liberators, a documentary film about Black Tankers of World War II that also portrayed the participation of black GIs in the liberation of Nazi death camps, brought him into a sensitive First Amendment struggle over the right of audiences to view a film documenting the role of African-American soldiers in liberating victims of the Holocaust. After brief exposure on Public Television in New York, the widely praised film was pulled in response to a few vocal objections. Asa began an intensive research project to verify the presence of black military units in the death camps at the time of liberation. His efforts was given international exposure by Courtland Milloy of the Washington Post (May 29, 1994). Documentation of his research at the National Archives has been donated to the Auburn Avenue Research Library on African-American Culture and History in Atlanta, Georgia and published in the Atlanta Daily World (Mar.26:30-31, 1995), and his lectures have clarified the issue for a broader public, which nonetheless continues to be denied the right to view the film. On April 11th, 1995, the 50th anniversary of the liberation of the Buchenwald, Asa was a featured speaker along with Alex Gross, a Jewish survivor of Buchenwald and Dr. Leon Bass one of the death camp's African American Liberators.

Asa ( a veteran student civil rights activist of Hampton Institute of the 60's) provided assistance and gave counsel on the first amendment rights to the Hampton University Student Government Association (SGA) which organized a protest and voiced objections to the selection of President Bush as their commencement speaker in May 1991. On this occasion Asa and SGA president Mark E. James founded the first chapter of the Student Civil Rights ACTion Coalition. SCRAC's goal is to galvanize students into an activist movement to defend against the erosion of civil rights, and safeguard the legacy of the African-American civil rights struggle.

As a Union leader he served two terms as President of the Goddard Engineers Scientists and Technicians Association (GESTA) Local-29 of the International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers AFL-CIO representing the Scientists, Engineers and Technicians at the Goddard Space Flight Center. Among his many actions on behalf of the First Amendment, Asa initiated a challenge (Gordon v. NASA, 1986) to NASA's policy of charging "search fees" for information requests under the Privacy Act. Such fees, Asa argued "imposed a chilling effect" on those seeking government information . As a result of Gordon's action, NASA subsequently dropped such fees.

Asa's successful court challenge to the law preventing federal employees from receiving compensation for any speech, avocational or otherwise, was a dramatic victory for the First Amendment. That victory was decided in the Supreme Court in 1995.

Asa also serves as President of the Asa Software Association (ASA) which markets the MenuPlus software he has copyrighted for use on IBM PC's or compatibles. "

52 posted on 07/02/2002 6:36:40 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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Walt - please tell me you don't believe this article from the Orlando SLANTNEL!

I'm a local - just outside of Kissimmee; the bunk this goon has come up with is so bogus. He's just creating waves in a small community - he really has no support other than his afro-centric, un-American flock of followers. Kissimmee has a rich heritage of cattle ranchers and cowboys, sadly it's beign eroded by development, tourism (Disney), and revisionists like Gordon.

I would advise you reading Nelson Winbush's perspective - his gggrandfather fought for the South and he was black (gasp!). Now do you support the SPLC/NAACP and afro-centrism as Gordon does?

53 posted on 07/02/2002 6:42:48 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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"Those who say blacks fought for the South should look at Confederate documents, which ban blacks serving as regular members of the Army. They also need to look at records showing that those who did serve deserted when they got the chance. "
The above statements contradict one another.

In the first the author claims that blacks could not fight for the Confederacy, they were in fact prevented from doing so.

Then in his very next statement he speaks about blacks serving the Confederacy... Hmmmm, OK whatever LOL! The author should stick to astrophysics.

Black Confederates
56 posted on 07/02/2002 7:09:58 AM PDT by RebelDawg
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In a lecture that was close to three hours long

Three hours?!? Walt, listen. It's about that upcoming speech he's giving I said we should go to. Could you bring some popcorn and a pillow? I mean we'll probably get hungry and I KNOW I'll be taking a nap. How full of hot air can someone be to talk for three hours and completely miss the truth the entire time?

People normally don' t build memorials for traitors, racists or those who practice genocide

I don't know. According to you, Washington, Jefferson, and Associates were traitors to their Empire and in this guy's eye they were racists to boot. Yet we've got a whole town full of them up there in Washington. Are we supposed to scrap all those except for abe's monument? Oh, but wait he was a racist even by 19th century standards. Exactly what monuments are going to be left?

Gordon's visit was sponsored by Ann Tyler and Evan McKissic. McKissic, a retired Osceola teacher, has been critical of the theories of another retired local teacher, Nelson Winbush.

I'm not sure what is scarier. Asa talking anywhere or the fact that it looks like public school teachers, who teach the nation's children BTW, sponsored the event. And McKissic's dismissal of Winbush's truth just shows another example of the left dismissing the facts to push their political agenda

66 posted on 07/02/2002 8:03:01 AM PDT by billbears
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Just the sort of idiocy I would expect would apeal to an idiot such as you. What person with an IQ above the (Fahrenheit) freezing temperature of water would come on this forum day after day and make a laughing stock of himself as you do?
88 posted on 07/02/2002 8:58:50 AM PDT by Aurelius
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Walt
WHY ARE YOU RECIRCULATING AN ARTICLE FROM 1998 - you could've only gotten this article from Gordon's racist website or your socialist friends.
95 posted on 07/02/2002 9:15:45 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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In the United States, Confederate memorials dot the countryside. The flag is flown with pride. The Nazi flag - and Nazi leaders - inspire hatred.

Why do you have to be such a jerk about this?

First of all, the Confederates were not Nazis and their brutality (which is plainly evident) was not in the same league with Nazi brutality. The Confederates sought to subjugate a race, the Nazi's wanted to exterminate a race.

Next, the moral bankruptcy that motivated slavery does not compromise other noble principles that were part of this struggle. Certainly, slavery was a primary cause of the schism and the Confederacy was on the wrong side of that issue. But you blithely ignore or reject other important causes where the Confederacy was not on the wrong side.

Finally, that men fought for the Confederacy does not make them monsters. Even some who fought for Nazi Germany were of noble character and hated the monster they served. Some even died trying fighting the Nazis while the fought for Germany.

These men seriously weighed important issues: The rights of man, loyalty to a state, loyalty to the Union, and what political arrangement is best suited to securing and protecting the rights of man. I don't agree with their decisions, but some of them really did not fight to perpetuate slavery. Many were duped, but you can't find a war where fighting men and the blood they shed is not treated with contempt by political leaders.

Jerks like this guy to come along 150 years after the fact and slander long dead heroes so he can feel like he can fire a shot from his plush office at the long dead demon of slavery.

97 posted on 07/02/2002 9:21:11 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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