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Israel Gave Major Aid to Hamas
United Press International | 24 February 2001 | Richard Sale

Posted on 06/30/2002 12:46:35 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

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To: philosofy123
The way I see it, is the ignorant politicians in the US, and Israel usually hires political appointees from among their supporters as bureaucrats. Typically these bureaucrats are hired for their connection rather than their knowledge.

Exactly. One of the unavoidable flaws in an open system. In Israel's case, there are a lot of favors their government can do for our politicians. I am not sure but I have read the reverse is not true. The Christian Coalition or any other American group would not be allowed to lobby the Knesset the way AIPAC and the ADL lobbies our congress on the behalf of Israel.

81 posted on 07/01/2002 12:12:45 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
UPI story from 6/18/2002

How strange that the story should be on the UPI newsdesk on 6/18/2002, if they tried to peddle it in February 2001 :).

Sorry, this isn't corroborating anything, or providing evidence. It's just the uncorroborated story being repeated by presumably the same source (and don't give me an "UPI is reputable"-spiel :).

Follow the source. Mr. Sale seems to be sort of your twin, Mr. Lied ;)).

82 posted on 07/01/2002 12:18:52 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: LarryLied
This would not be the first time Israel has been a victim of Blow-Back.

What is "Blow-Back"?

83 posted on 07/01/2002 12:23:02 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Spook speak for when an operation has unforeseen negative consequences. An occupational hazard for all intelligence agents.
84 posted on 07/01/2002 12:49:15 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Alouette
An example of blow back would be U.S. aid to Bin Laden and his group while they were fighting the Ruskies. It may have "seemed like a good idea at the time" but it it ended up blowing back against us.
85 posted on 07/01/2002 12:57:11 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Cachelot
How strange that the story should be on the UPI newsdesk on 6/18/2002, if they tried to peddle it in February 2001 :)

Read #78 again. You are discussing another article. You can do better than that to cloud the issue.

86 posted on 07/01/2002 12:57:43 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Cachelot
First, you argued that UPI story was bogus and not actually published by the UPI. Now....you seem to concede that it is legit but are dismissing the source as not credible. It is obvious that you simply don't care whether or not Israel is supporting Hamas. This is a perfectly legitimate view but why not just admit it?
87 posted on 07/01/2002 12:59:50 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: LarryLied
You are correct. I am sure the experts on the Middle East should know how much hate there is in the Egyptian Moslem Brotherhood organization. If they did not know, then they do not deserve to an expert. These SOBs are constantly fomenting hate and plotting against us. How in hell did this smart advisors instructed the CIA, and the Mousad to get in bed with such dispicable organization. It is almost as if Israel decided to cooperate and fund the Nazis!
88 posted on 07/01/2002 1:08:33 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Headline: PILGRIMS TRADED WITH INDIANS; INDIANS NOW ATTACKING SETTLEMENTS
91 posted on 07/01/2002 1:37:59 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
I hope you are right. I would like to be proven wrong on this.

Reading the press releases from the ADL, AJC, NCJW on school vouchers this week was depressing. All as liberal as ever. More so even. They lost a big one and are determined to fight.

92 posted on 07/01/2002 1:55:54 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Just noticed your article which seems to be the 2nd or 3rd posted on FR this week on the topic.

Noted your comment I think this speaks for itself

Maybe I'm dumb, but it tells me very little, other than Israel engaged in routine "enemy of my enemy" tactics a few decades ago.

What does it "speak" to you that makes it timely?

93 posted on 07/01/2002 2:04:23 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: LarryLied
Reading the press releases from the ADL, AJC, NCJW on school vouchers this week was depressing. All as liberal as ever.

Must be just as depressing to read your Unitarian Church newsletter.

94 posted on 07/01/2002 2:11:22 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Austin Willard Wright
First, you argued that UPI story was bogus

Err.. I think that if you take the time to read (you CAN read?) you'll see that I'm saying that it doesn't appear to be on any reputable news outlets. I really don't care much if it has ot one time appeared with UPI, or if it does today.

you seem to concede that it is legit

You seem to be somewhat slow. Let's take this slowly :).

Sale, the reporter and sole source basically says this happened. There is no corroborating evidence - Cordesman, another appendage to the jihad-infested washington-report, offers his speculation and Sale refers vaguely to various sources (anonymous official 1, 2, whatever). There is nothing whatsoever verifiable, and if there had been the other news-agencies would probably have picked it up in February 2001. Instead we see a campaign coming up to spam it around in 2002. Strange.

Now, of course I don't for a moment actually think that you are as bizarrely stupid as you're playing at :)). I do note, however, that you seem to be another one of these strange critters registered in '98,'99 who suddenly pops out of the woodwork when the ranks of "pinlighters" wear thin.

95 posted on 07/01/2002 2:49:38 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: LarryLied
You are discussing another article.

Same old story, slightly reworded but with Mr. Sale's theatrical opening line intact, by the same author who appears on CODOH, Hoffman-info et al for his writings on "Stalin's Communist Jews" - he seems exactly like you, Mr. Lied.

Tell me, are you or have you ever been a reporter? Did you at one point write a book?

96 posted on 07/01/2002 3:00:07 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Alouette
Must be just as depressing to read your Unitarian Church newsletter.

I can laugh at the UU's. None of them is in Congress to filibuster drilling in ANWR, they don't send out CD-ROM's of people they don't like to law enforcement and the FBI doesn't require agents to take courses sponsored by the Unitarian church.

97 posted on 07/01/2002 3:33:13 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
The BBC has it wrong too apparenlty:
"Israeli support for Islamic extremists, as an opposition force to the secular pro-PLO movement, eventually blew up in Israel's face. Hamas, for example, which was born out of the Moslem Brotherhood with Israeli encouragement, is to this day a central factor in the Palestinian resistance and political system."
98 posted on 07/01/2002 5:42:27 PM PDT by mv1
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To: mv1; Cachelot
Thanks. The BBC is where I first read this. But they aren't credible either. Or maybe they are. Perhaps this story is true. In which case, this is old news and it is time to moooove on....
99 posted on 07/01/2002 6:08:25 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
The BBC is where I first read this

Yawn. When?

But they aren't credible either.

Given that eleven out of ten BBC whining heads seem to be pakistanis and the rest simpering commies in the mold of that Fisk guy, I'd say probably not :). In any case, bbc conjecture is probably no more "evidence" than your fellow codoh-traveller Sale, wouldn't you say?

Anyway, you didn't answer any questions, Lied. I notice that you never do. Were you once upon a time a reporter?

100 posted on 07/01/2002 6:24:50 PM PDT by Cachelot
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