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[Bishop] Adamec irked at loose lips in diocese [,planning to punish good straight priest]
THE TRIBUNE-DEMOCRAT ^ | June 30, 2002 | SUSAN EVANS

Posted on 06/30/2002 10:49:00 AM PDT by Polycarp

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To: Renatus
Just keep in mind that Jesus established the Church in such a way that He commissioned only the bishops and priests to rule the Church. The obligation to rule comes with consecration into the ministerial priesthood of Jesus.

Yea, well "ruling" is overrated. I'm sure you could get quite a few bishops to agree to that also.

61 posted on 06/30/2002 5:34:25 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Aliska
"What is it with these bishops protecting homosexuals?"

I tend to think this is a rhetorical question, however, in case it is not, I will suggest that these enabling/covering-up bishops have some homosexual activity in their own backgrounds, and some may even still be active. It is very hard to know for sure, of course, so I am not going to say such a thing in so many words. But it is entirely possible and should not be dismissed by any of us.

62 posted on 06/30/2002 5:49:44 PM PDT by redhead
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To: Polycarp
Bookmark for later reading!
63 posted on 06/30/2002 5:58:52 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Polycarp
"At a subsequent meeting with some of his priests, Adamec stated, "Those priests that attended Rose's talk, I'm going to get them!" Looking at a retired Msgr., one of whose former parishioners is now a Msgr.our diocese and attended Rose's talk, Adamec shouted, "And that includes your friend too!"

Good grief, he sounds more like the wicked witch of the west than a clergyman. Hang in there Polycarp, this guy sounds like his own worst enemy. There must be some sort of heavenly posse forming to run this guy out of Dodge.
64 posted on 06/30/2002 6:13:32 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Siobhan
Great letter! Don't forget Cardinal Hoyos as Clergy is his area!
65 posted on 06/30/2002 6:23:49 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Polycarp
I will pray for Father Foster.I have a priest friend and awhile ago his father was dying.He was an only child and his mother had passed away a few years before that.One day a prolifer went to confession to him and after confession he asked him why he stopped coming to pray outside of the abortion chamber.Father showed up told the man he was quiting the priesthood and left.He then went to confession and came back and apologized.We all laugh at that story including Father but the pressure is there for them as us. Please tell Father I will offer up the whole week for his intentions ,fatima
66 posted on 06/30/2002 6:27:53 PM PDT by fatima
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To: VOA
I hate it when they comb through history for "famous homosexuals," particularly since most of said homosexuals weren't, in any case.

Rebecca West wrote in her book about St. Augustine, who had a very close male friend and himself had written about friendship, that one of the evils of homosexuality was that it destroyed friendship. That is, people couldn't just enjoy the calm, steady pleasure of a friend; they'd have to make all of their relationships into turbulent sexual relationships. I thought it was a good point, and she wasn't even writing about it from a religious point of view.
67 posted on 06/30/2002 6:38:09 PM PDT by livius
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To: Siobhan
Great letter! Adamec certainly can't say that he hasn't been warned, after a letter like that...
68 posted on 06/30/2002 6:40:19 PM PDT by livius
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To: Polycarp
On June 19, the Centre Daily Times newspaper carried a front-page story about Foster’s brother James, a Bellefonte priest, being reassigned next month to another parish, and diocese officials denying political motivations.

Anyone in the public reading this story can see there was political motivation. It's so obvious and un-Christian-like on the part of the diocese.

69 posted on 06/30/2002 6:42:36 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: livius
I hate it when they comb through history for "famous homosexuals," particularly since
most of said homosexuals weren't, in any case.


The thing about trying to put King David into that sort of orientation is that it's
really self-defeating to homosexuals (well, their "cause").

I'm not a theologian of any sort, but King David seems to be the example of the highs and the
lows that a human can be.
Persistent patriot, brave in battle, terribly unprincipled in his sex life at times,
a terrible parent whose son even tries to overthrow him, etc.

But to try to use him as some total paragon as virtue in an attempt to advance a lifestyle he
wasn't part of...dumb, dumb, dumb...
70 posted on 06/30/2002 6:47:47 PM PDT by VOA
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To: fatima
I will pray for Father

So will I. I will pray especially that he be given the courage to keep his vow of obedience to his bishop.

73 posted on 07/01/2002 6:04:18 AM PDT by Renatus
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To: sinkspur
Yea, well "ruling" is overrated.

So, what Jesus chose to do is overrated? I suppose you consider yourself wiser than He.

74 posted on 07/01/2002 8:00:54 AM PDT by Renatus
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To: Polycarp
Adamec and the pastor need to ponder these words from today's Responsorial Psalm: (Might make a good email to the bishop and pastor)

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 50:16bc-17, 18-19, 20-21, 22-23

R. (22a) Remember this, you who never think of God.
"Why do you recite my statutes,
and profess my covenant with your mouth,
Though you hate discipline
and cast my words behind you?"
R. Remember this, you who never think of God.
"When you see a thief, you keep pace with him,
and with adulterers you throw in your lot.
To your mouth you give free rein for evil,
you harness your tongue to deceit."
R. Remember this, you who never think of God.
"You sit speaking against your brother;
against your mother's son you spread rumors.
When you do these things, shall I be deaf to it?
Or do you think that I am like yourself?
I will correct you by drawing them up before your eyes."
R. Remember this, you who never think of God.
"Consider this, you who forget God,
lest I rend you and there be no one to rescue you.
He that offers praise as a sacrifice glorifies me;
and to him that goes the right way I will show the salvation of God."
R. Remember this, you who never think of God.

75 posted on 07/01/2002 9:26:09 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Polycarp
The Rev. Joseph Hlubik, Penn State Roman Catholic Community campus minister, said that although some Bible passages speak negatively of homosexuality, there are positive images as well.

Is there anyone anywhere who can point out what these positive images might be and exactly where they might be found?? This should be interesting.

76 posted on 07/01/2002 9:34:54 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Renatus
Renatus,
Is this (from The Catechism of the Catholic Church, what you are talking about?

1547 The ministerial or hierarchical priesthood of bishops and priests, and the common priesthood of all the faithful participate, "each in its own proper way, in the one priesthood of Christ." While being "ordered one to another," they differ essentially.[22] In what sense? While the common priesthood of the faithful is exercised by the unfolding of baptismal grace-a life of faith, hope, and charity, a life according to the Spirit-,the ministerial priesthood is at the service of the common priesthood. It is directed at the unfolding of the baptismal grace of all Christians. The ministerial priesthood is a means by which Christ unceasingly builds up and leads his Church. For this reason it is transmitted by its own sacrament, the sacrament of Holy Orders.

1551 This priesthood is ministerial. "That office . . . which the Lord committed to the pastors of his people, is in the strict sense of the term a service."[28] It is entirely related to Christ and to men. It depends entirely on Christ and on his unique priesthood; it has been instituted for the good of men and the communion of the Church. The sacrament of Holy Orders communicates a "sacred power" which is none other than that of Christ. The exercise of this authority must therefore be measured against the model of Christ, who by love made himself the least and the servant of all.[29] "The Lord said clearly that concern for his flock was proof of love for him."[30]

1552 The ministerial priesthood has the task not only of representing Christ - Head of the Church - before the assembly of the faithful, but also of acting in the name of the whole Church when presenting to God the prayer of the Church, and above all when offering the Eucharistic sacrifice.[31]

77 posted on 07/01/2002 9:38:39 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: pgkdan
Excerpt from post 43 above:

Father Joseph Hlubik, Penn State Catholic Community campus minister, said although some Bible passages speak negatively of homosexuality, there are positive images as well.

He discussed a Bible story in which two men share a deep and intimate love.

"This is a story of a covenant, lifelong love between Jonathan and David," Hlubik said. "This is the same David the Jews and Christians view as the greatest king of Israel."

Hlubik encouraged people in the audience to focus on a larger view of faith, not just on intricacies of biblical passages, which can sometimes be taken out of context or used as weapons to condemn people.

"The fundamental command is to love," he said. "Whether we are straight or gay, we all need friendship, we all need love, and we all need intimacy in our relationships."

Hlubik said there has been some progress in embracing LGBT people in Roman Catholicism

78 posted on 07/01/2002 9:44:25 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Renatus
Dear Renatus,

Your posts are very consistent, and I appreciate your taking the time to express your prayerful devotion to the priests and bishops. At times I confess I do not understand how your understanding of the Church has been shaped. Are you a member of Opus Dei, the Legionaires of Christ, Regnum Christum -- or a similar ecclesial movement? I ask because I am genuinely interested in how your thinking has been formed and shaped.

79 posted on 07/01/2002 11:21:04 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." St. Athanasius

I've always seen that quote attributed to St. John Chrysostom. Let's verify it before putting it on a billboard.

80 posted on 07/01/2002 11:49:26 AM PDT by Steve0113
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