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After all, it's only groceries ... right?(Vin Suprynowicz:the future of customer tracking)
Las Vegas Review Journal ^ | 6/30/02 | Vin Suprynowicz

Posted on 06/30/2002 9:56:54 AM PDT by LarryLied

Katherine Albrecht has seen the supermarket of the future, and she doesn't like it.

"I've actually held in my hand the prototype next-generation shopping `loyalty' card -- a radio transmission-driven LED (light emitting diodes) shopping card," says the New Hampshire schoolteacher and mother of small children. "There already exist radio frequency devices in shopping carts so they can actually track your movements around the store. They're used in combination with the shoplifting cameras," says Albrecht, founder and head of Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering (www.nocards.org/).

Well, so what? If the market finds out I buy cat food and therefore sends me a coupon when it has a special on cat food, who gets hurt? Sounds pretty symbiotic to me.

"Right now they're at a two-tier price structure, one price with the card and one without the card," Albrecht explains. "They want to move this up to something called 'consumer-specific pricing' -- you and I will each be charged the maximum amount they've determined you will spend; it's actually kind of smart in a devious way. Already they've figured out they can mark the peanut butter on the shelf $4, mark it down to $2.29 if you have the card, and about 10 percent of the time that jar of peanut butter actually sells at $4 to what they call the `non-price-sensitive customer."

But once these stores have built up the kind of individualized data bases that a couple years of scanning our cards will give them, they're already planning to go much further, Albrecht reports.

At that point, in the not-so-distant future, "As soon as you walk into the store they'll read the chip in your (next-generation) card, while it's still in your purse or wallet. They've developed sensors in the floor; they track you around the store so not only do they know who you are and where you're moving, they know what kind of a shopper you are.

"You, on the other hand, they know you only buy peanut butter every six months, so what if we offer him peanut butter at $1.89?

"The special display on your shopping cart will start flashing when you enter that aisle, telling you there's a $1.89 special on the peanut butter, but that's for you alone; no one else entering that aisle that afternoon may be offered that price. If you buy it, that's the lowest price you'll ever be offered, because they know you'll pay that.

"The next time they'll try $2.29, then $2.59 ... . You'll never get it any lower than what you've paid in the past.

"But I'm what they call a 'price-inflexible shopper' -- they know I have to buy peanut butter every week or else my kids will scream, so they won't offer me any special discount at all ... . "

And even that's just the tip of the iceberg, Albrecht warns. Does anyone think your supermarket won't make its shopping card data available to firms with government grants studying excess obesity and the effectiveness of various programs to manipulate entire populations into improving their nutrition -- starting with special surtaxes on "junk food"?

Government medical and dental programs have already linked to similar shopper monitoring programs in England, she warns. After all, shouldn't someone who follows his doctor's orders and cuts down on salty foods move up in line for that rationed surgery, ahead of someone who ignored his doctor and kept buying junk food?

Some stores are even experimenting with systems that replace the card by simply scanning the customer's registered fingerprint, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer confirms.

Savings? Within a short time after the card programs are introduced, the "special-discount-with-card" price becomes the old, pre-card price, Albrecht says, while the "without-a-card price" can be jacked up to as much as twice the pre-card levels.

At that point, those 10 percent of transactions that proceed without a card-scan are "pure gravy for the store," she reports.

"I used to think that 10 percent was just a number, but increasingly I can put faces with that statistic. ... I got (a) call from a woman who said her son is developmentally disabled, he's retarded. But there's one thing he's able to do for the family: Every week he goes and buys exactly the same groceries. Same brand, everything.

"The first week after they introduced the cards he went in and bought his groceries, but he didn't understand what the card was all about, so when he got home he had spent an extra $8. The 10 percent is the developmentally disabled, the homeless who can't be bothered with a wallet, and it's -- I hate to say it -- the privacy advocates who are so proud of themselves because they won't sign up for the cards ... . "

Here in Las Vegas? Trader Joe's and Wild Oats have no card programs, Albrecht reports. Albertson's, which used to advertise itself as the "no cards, no hassles" store, started testing a card program in Dallas-Fort Worth, and introduced the cards in Northern Nevada last week.

Smith's, a division of Kroger's, is "one of the worst" when it comes to corporate dedication to the new card technology, Albrecht says.

Which leaves Raley's.

"There's a stated policy not to introduce these cards, and it does have to do with privacy issues," explained Raley's spokesperson Carolyn Konrad from her office in Sacramento last week. "At Raley's we really didn't like the way it felt when one person in line got one price and the next person in line got another price."

Albrecht would love to set up a CASPIAN affiliate in Las Vegas; contact her at kma@nocards.org or 603-465-9093.

Me? I used to carry a Smith's "Fresh Values" card. As of this week, I've started driving the extra two miles to Raley's.(


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1 posted on 06/30/2002 9:56:54 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Nope, uh-huh, I'm stickin' to 7-11...
2 posted on 06/30/2002 9:59:56 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: LarryLied
Is this for real, dude? No way is this real. This is scary. If I did this, I'd end up getting charged 50 bucks for a carton of smokes or a twelvepack of Miller.
3 posted on 06/30/2002 10:01:04 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: LarryLied
Luckily, their computers are powered by Microsoft, so they'll never be able to achieve liftoff.
4 posted on 06/30/2002 10:09:56 AM PDT by Uncle Sausage
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To: LarryLied

Most of the stores are collecting terabytes of this data, but it's just sitting there because there's no budget to do anything with it

The kind of stuff described in this article is all very possible, and it's the subject of endless proposals from vendors, but the grocery chains are wary of spending any more money in this area because the previous promises haven't come true.

These 'loyalty card programs' are an advantage for the first mover, but once everybody has it, it's no longer an advantage and it just costs money.


5 posted on 06/30/2002 10:14:15 AM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: LarryLied
Didn't coke try to change the price of coke in vending machines depending on the time of day etc......... didn't this get a bad reaction........ does anyone have any more details on this?
6 posted on 06/30/2002 10:24:07 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: LarryLied
My 'SpecialValuesExtrayNiftySuperCustomer' is registered in the name of Bill Gates, 666 Beelzebub Place, Nonyadamnbiz, Virgin Islands....

I love giving them my 'demon'graphic information.

7 posted on 06/30/2002 10:50:55 AM PDT by visagoth
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To: Nick Danger
It's what I refer to as "the paradox of the room with a trillion keys". Picture yourself in a concrete vault. There is only one door to get out, and its locked, and you cannot break it down. You're screwed. In a similar fashion, picture yourself in a concrete vault. It's the size of the Superdome inside of there, and you are hip-deep in keys. Only one of them opens the door. I submit that you are just as screwed as you were in the first example.

Too much data can be as useless as no data at all. Worse yet, you'll drive youself mad in the second example, trying out all of the keys you can get your hands on!

8 posted on 06/30/2002 10:56:32 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: LarryLied
Camera here, cameras there,
cameras everywhere,
on the corners, in the mall,
as our freedoms fall,
attached to traffic lights,
losing our privacy rights
Give it up for security,
just don't include me
9 posted on 06/30/2002 11:22:22 AM PDT by poet
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To: LarryLied
"Well, comrade, we see that you're making $60K per year. Price of peanut butter for you - $10!"
10 posted on 06/30/2002 11:34:36 AM PDT by NatureGirl
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To: LarryLied
Yesterday I got Albertsons card (kicking and screaming)and got 44% off my receipt. Just looked at previous receipts from Albertsons (pre discount card) and have averaged 18%. Gonna keep track and see what happens. Fortunately computers work both ways. LOL
11 posted on 06/30/2002 11:39:14 AM PDT by Lokibob
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In the L.A. area, I shop at more than one Ralphs, and more than one Vons, with discount cards at both. I alternate between them out of convenience and proximity. What a scheme like this assumes is that one constantly uses the same store, or at least the same chain. Those who vary where they shop make this useless.

And if any such chain starts individual monitoring, their discount will be torched SO fast ...

It doesn't surprise me that this has been linked, in "Great" Britain, to following the dictates of the socialist health system. In Birmingham, England, they're registering knife purchases now.

12 posted on 06/30/2002 12:44:45 PM PDT by Greybird
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To: Nick Danger
We have the special cards for one of our grocery stores here in a rural area. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, though. You don't show ID to get the card. You could give them a fake name and address, and still get the card. Their prices are high and the card just brings them down to a realistic level. They have no more clue who I am than the man in the moon.

Carolyn

13 posted on 06/30/2002 12:49:42 PM PDT by CDHart
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To: LarryLied
Freedom isn't always free. Simply refuse the card, pay cash and pay the extra money. Eventually some smart capitalist will start a grocery chain that markets "Every Day Low Prices for Everybody!"

Hmmmm. I wonder if I could . . .

14 posted on 06/30/2002 1:02:52 PM PDT by 1stMarylandRegiment
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To: LarryLied
Reminds me of the movie Minority Report. They could track where you were at by instant optical scans and they would switch on personalized commercials beamed into your eyes as you walked through malls and other places. Constant spamming, not only unbelievably obnoxious, but also used by the government to control, track and oppress the citizenry.
15 posted on 06/30/2002 1:10:58 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: LarryLied
Freedom isn't free.

Just pay cash and punt the card.

Eventually some enterprising capitalist will offer "Every Day Low Prices . . . for Everybody!!"

Hmmmmm.

16 posted on 06/30/2002 1:12:38 PM PDT by 1stMarylandRegiment
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To: LarryLied
Ask for the application on the way in.

Peel off the bar card tags.

Fill in with a fictitious name or don't fill it in at all. Just throw it out.

Don't give your address. Don't give your phone number. Don't give your e-mail. Don't give your freep name.

When you check out, pay cash. No check, no credit card, no bar coded coupon mailed specifically to your address.

If you want to be really hostile, ask for a fresh application each time you enter the store and throw it away, cards and all, when you leave.

17 posted on 06/30/2002 1:39:03 PM PDT by c-five
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To: CDHart
The first time you paid by check or credit card, they had your ID. Sorry. See reply #17.
18 posted on 06/30/2002 1:48:01 PM PDT by c-five
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To: Lokibob
I refuse to get cards....the local ACME here asks for my drivers license # (WHAT BUSINESS OF THEM IS IT??) in order for me to get the discount. And it isnt really a discount. They just mark everything else up. How I get by is I use a copy of a friends card. Shes being tracked, not me!
19 posted on 06/30/2002 2:02:09 PM PDT by College Repub
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To: c-five
They ask for freep names now? Geez...
20 posted on 06/30/2002 2:03:18 PM PDT by College Repub
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