[discostu]

The average users don't rip CDs that's my point. You ever hear the cupholder joke? That's the average MS user. You overestimate how many people rip CDs.

Again you're talking the geek crowd in WinAmp vs WMP. The cupholder people won't even get WinAmp because it doesn't come automatically with the OS. Not sure how you can call anything that puts itself in the system tray unintrussive. Step #1 to getting uninstalled from my computer (or at least having the apps options ripped to shreds) is to put itself on the system, that pisses me off bad. It's a little less annoying now with XP because it hides innactive tray icons, but still get's me pretty horked.

[dheretic]

The average users don't rip CDs that's my point. You ever hear the cupholder joke? That's the average MS user. You overestimate how many people rip CDs.

Most of the people in my age group that use computers know how to rip a CD. Obviously your average user doesn't know how to rip a CD, they don't know how to do virtually anything with their computer because when it doesn't work they treat it like an enraged familiar rather than a brainless box of metal and plastic.

Again you're talking the geek crowd in WinAmp vs WMP. The cupholder people won't even get WinAmp because it doesn't come automatically with the OS.

Bull$hit. That isn't the geek crowd. What part of, virtually every PC user I know on campus uses Winamp do you not understand? I clearly stated that I am talking about the student body outside the CS department. All of my older relatives know jack $hit about computers, but they have Winamp because their kids who are around my age download Winamp for them because they use it and I am the only geek on both sides of my family.