[dheretic]

The average users don't rip CDs that's my point. You ever hear the cupholder joke? That's the average MS user. You overestimate how many people rip CDs.

Most of the people in my age group that use computers know how to rip a CD. Obviously your average user doesn't know how to rip a CD, they don't know how to do virtually anything with their computer because when it doesn't work they treat it like an enraged familiar rather than a brainless box of metal and plastic.

Again you're talking the geek crowd in WinAmp vs WMP. The cupholder people won't even get WinAmp because it doesn't come automatically with the OS.

Bull$hit. That isn't the geek crowd. What part of, virtually every PC user I know on campus uses Winamp do you not understand? I clearly stated that I am talking about the student body outside the CS department. All of my older relatives know jack $hit about computers, but they have Winamp because their kids who are around my age download Winamp for them because they use it and I am the only geek on both sides of my family.

[discostu]

What part of "those aren't your average PC users" don't you get? Get out of the geek section and go ask a marketing major some computer questions, or business. Better yet get away from college and actually talk to some normal people. I've been out here working with computers (and more recently getting paid to tell people they're wrong about computers... software QA) since you were a babe in arms. Listen to people that have been fighting the technology war since the Apple II days, the average does not and will not do these things.