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Supreme Court gives go-ahead for school vouchers!
Associated Press / SFGate

Posted on 06/27/2002 7:32:14 AM PDT by RCW2001

(06-27) 07:30 PDT (AP) -- ^Supreme Court gives go-ahead for school vouchers, lowers wall between church and state=

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Constitution allows public money to underwrite tuition at religious schools as long as parents have a choice among a range of religious and secular schools, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

The 5-4 ruling led by the court's conservative majority lowers the figurative wall separating church and state and clears a constitutional cloud from school vouchers, a divisive education idea dear to political conservatives and championed by President Bush.

Opponents call vouchers a fraud meant to siphon tax money from struggling public schools.


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To: Wolfie
You've always had the choice. Now you can get someone else to pay for it.

This makes absolutely no sense. Right now, those who wanted to explore other options had to pay TWICE for their child's education. In fact, it is the public school system that demands that those who do not even HAVE children pay for the education of others. The private schools are the option that has people only paying for their own kids.

How is this decision "getting someone else to pay for it" any different than the current system? The parents finally have a CHOICE about where their child is sent, without having to pay for the same product twice. That is a just decision.

161 posted on 06/27/2002 10:35:48 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Pharmboy
But Ron, they will be giving the money to the PARENTS and not the schools--therefore they will not be able to control the schools.

Wanna bet? They already do that with college student loans. The money is given to the student, but it can be used only at colleges that accept federal dictates.

That's why some schools, such as Bob Jones, Grove City, and Hillsdale will not accept any tuition money that came from the federal government. It always has strings attached.

162 posted on 06/27/2002 10:36:15 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: Austin Willard Wright
forgive Dubya and the GOP for *any* other sin as long as conservative justices are appointed. .

We must. And please hear me out. Many here have pointed out the obvious reasons to support Bush i.e., importance of judicial appointments, Reagan's "liberal" programs, and the ever popular 'the alternative is much worse'.

Before we get any major changes we all here desire, the paramount objective is and should be returning the three branches of government to their original configuration.

The congressional liberals, unable to enact their agenda through proper constitutional proccesses, have corrupted the judicial branch by filling the courts with judges who legislate from the bench. They seem to neither realize or care that they have eroded the powers of their own branch.

Bush seems to understand the way the separation of powers has been usurped and has been fighting quietly for its proper reconstruction. From his defiance of congress regarding information and access to executive branch personnel to his repeated callings for judges who interpret the constitution literally.

Before you reply that "when Clinton refused to turn over...", remember that that was to cover his (and Hillary's) own sorry behind. And although I am still steaming over his signing of the odius CFR bill, I wish to believe that he is our best hope in restoring the rebuilding the framework of our beloved land.

These ditsy judges have handed him and the Pubs a cudgel to beat the libs with their own lunacy. Let's all pitch in and take a whack at them instead of each other for a change.

163 posted on 06/27/2002 10:44:03 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Ooops! Forgot which thread I was on. I mean the ditsy 9th circuit judges!
164 posted on 06/27/2002 10:45:11 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: twntaipan
I just heard a death-groan from the NEA.

They must be having full-blown, mouth-foaming, rabid, spaz attacks right now. Like the demon in The Exoricst.

165 posted on 06/27/2002 10:45:16 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Pharmboy
Yes. Now, think about this. Very few people in America these days want to see this used to finance Islamic madrassas in the U.S. And if you think that public schools are revising the history they teach to criticize dead white men, wait until you see what private schools founded by the Nation of Islam might teach. But how are the laws to be written so as to prevent that? By taking religion out of private schools? This will go against the very reason many of them were founded.

When people think of "Parochial Schools", the pre-eminent example is inner-city Catholic Schools. But their curriculum is pretty much a standard one, with the familiar faith of Catholicism added in. Wait until you see what comes up now.

166 posted on 06/27/2002 10:49:39 AM PDT by RonF
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To: summer
Well, this is very good news, especially after the insane 9th circuit decision about the Pledge of Allegiance yesterday.

You have pointed out elsewhere that Florida has three different voucher programs. Can you provide me with any pointers of how to find out more about these? My son will be starting school before I know it.


167 posted on 06/27/2002 10:50:35 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: twntaipan
I would think this would make the environment for education more competitive, and thus force public schools to get better to keep their students. Thoughts?

I don't think vouchers in and of themselves will do anything to improve public schools, because they offer no incentive for the schools to address the actual roots of the problem.

IMHO the real difficulty with public schools has to do with the advent "Education Degrees," whereby prospective teachers major in teaching, rather than in some real subject.

As a result, the teachers tend not to know anything of substance, and are forced to rely on teaching processes. The teachers have no depth of knowlege, and are thus unable to provide perspective or alternative approaches to the topic.

Schools, and of course the NEA, perpetuate this problem by requiring that incoming teachers have jumped through all of the teaching hoops; whereas the subject-matter hoops seem often not to matter at all.

168 posted on 06/27/2002 10:53:04 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Lancey Howard
our local scumbag liberal toilet paper (The Courier Times of Bucks County)

Oh Lancey...please tell me you don't subscribe the Courier Times ! We cancelled that one ages ago--and they still call us every other month or so asking if we want to renew -- I tell them the same thing each time...we don't agree with the liberal slant of your paper, esp. concerning the middle east and politics and we will not renew until there is a real change-- they meekly thank me and hang up--it's great fun !!

169 posted on 06/27/2002 10:53:13 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: KansasGirl
Yeah, that last line sure was necessary wasn't it! What BS! I hate out media too!! Too bad most people don't have a clue and if you try to tell them, they think you are wacko! Oh well, I don't mind being seen as wacko I guess!

Take it in steps. Demonize political correctness. You should do this at every opportunity anyway. Then identify the press as politically correct, using examples that your intended audience are sympathetic to. You can pick almost any topic under the sun and show how political correctness ruins it.

170 posted on 06/27/2002 11:05:00 AM PDT by Toast on a Stick
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To: Joe Brower
Hi Joe, FYI re vouchers and other options (and, I will post another link for you to come) --

'The Jeb Bush Nobody Knows' - Part 7: Jeb's 'Other' Scholarship/ Voucher Program, to Help FL Students w/Disabilities

'The Jeb Bush Nobody Knows' -- Part 11: How Jeb's Newest, 3rd Voucher Program Helps Low-Income Students

Best of both worlds? (New hybrid home/private school education model)

The New Math of the NYT education columnist Richard Rothstein: 2 + 1 = "2" (and not "3")

< ahref="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/704699/posts"> Florida's School Choice [Jeb's Letter to the NYT Editor re Rothstein's new math article above, NYT]
171 posted on 06/27/2002 11:06:53 AM PDT by summer
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To: Joe Brower
That last link above should be:

Florida's School Choice [Jeb's Letter to the NYT Editor re Rothstein's new math article above, NYT]
172 posted on 06/27/2002 11:08:02 AM PDT by summer
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To: Joe Brower
Use the drop-down menu, and check out the FL Dept Ed info on FL School Choice and FL's Charter Schools HERE.
173 posted on 06/27/2002 11:11:54 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Re post #173 - Also check out "Home Education" on the same drop menu, as FL has a condusive climate for homeschooling.
174 posted on 06/27/2002 11:12:53 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Thanks for the replies, summer.

I guess my question is, "How can I start my son in a local private Christian school using vouchers, without dealing with the public schools at all"? My boy is not disabled, we're not "underpriviliged" (read, "I bust my arse to earn a living for my family"), and not a "minority", so where does that leave us?

175 posted on 06/27/2002 11:18:26 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: RonF
Caution! What the Federal Government funds, the Federal Government controls..

That is exactly the same argument the NEA uses.

176 posted on 06/27/2002 11:18:41 AM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: RonF
Poor example. A burning building poses a public danger no matter who owns the building. Thus, the public has an interest in extinguishing it in a timely fashion.

In other words, public interest should be a determining factor in government/religion issues?

177 posted on 06/27/2002 11:21:43 AM PDT by Toast on a Stick
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Your original post(#72) implied that the GOP taking back the Senate would be somewhat meaningless and a waste. Such defeatism in response to a conservative victory(a common theme for certain freepers) is what I was responding to.

My apologies if I misinterpreted your post, and I admit that your name doesn't ring a bell as one of the perpetual whiners. Here's hoping my initial interpretation was wrong.
178 posted on 06/27/2002 11:22:37 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Joe Brower
LOL...it's called: paying private school tuition. :)
179 posted on 06/27/2002 11:23:47 AM PDT by summer
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To: Joe Brower
BTW, there is no voucher program for "minorities" -- the vouchers are for any low income kid. :)
180 posted on 06/27/2002 11:24:31 AM PDT by summer
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