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Anatomy Of A Murder: Westerfield vs. Van Dams (A Mother's Story)
San Diego Online ^ | June 27, 2002 | Kevin Cox

Posted on 06/27/2002 6:47:45 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: Karson
Good catch on that little detail.

Wonder why they all got 10am phone calls but didn't go help look or anything?

681 posted on 06/28/2002 11:04:50 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Rheo
walks down the street carrying her..hmmm...have to try again...not making this work

You forgot the ruby slippers and Febreze. Please try again.

682 posted on 06/28/2002 11:10:04 PM PDT by dread78645
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To: Rheo
Apparently Brenda called Liz and Rich Brady immediately after calling 911 (and the neighbor lady that Brenda was babysitting for). Yet, Rich did not go to the VD home until late evening ... when he had to go make a statement. Really close and caring friends, eh? Yeah, right!

It's past my bedtime again so goodnight all.

683 posted on 06/28/2002 11:17:04 PM PDT by Karson
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To: dread78645
LOL...this is hard...I cannot make this realistic...this guy had to have had the most incredible good luck that night to have pulled this off.

Walking down the street before 1:45 in the morning, carrying your neighbors daughter that you have just snatched from her bed....without one neighbor or someone driving thru the neighborhood seeing him....even if he pulled his SUV up to the curb and put her in there and then drove around the block into his garage....nobody saw or heard and a trace of her was not left in the SUV.

And why take her to his house at all??

684 posted on 06/28/2002 11:19:59 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Karson
Goodnight Karson!
685 posted on 06/28/2002 11:20:28 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Rheo
What about Damon and Brenda's or Barbara's car. Wasn't it parked in front, while the girl's went to dad's with Brenda in her truck. Damon could have had a key to that car.
686 posted on 06/28/2002 11:28:37 PM PDT by juzcuz
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To: juzcuz
He could have.....why would he take Barbara's car?
687 posted on 06/28/2002 11:39:30 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Rheo
He could have used it to transport Danielle to Dehesa Road. In so doing he implicates Barbara, maybe there exists evidence from Danielle in her car. He certainly had enough time to drive there, back, and clean up.

There is still a question whether Denise locked that side yard/garage door. Denise said Denise didn't lock it, just closed it. Brenda thought Denise locked it. Maybe when Damon at 3:30Am checked that door, said it looked locked. At that time he might have actually left it unlocked and closed. Why--to possibily point the finger of blame on the girls who could have come back and kidnapped Danielle. Remember the drag marks outside of the door by the side yard (little denise would have had to drag Danielle not carry her)and their was blood out there. Also, Damon called Denise the next day said the police wanted to talk to her about that "door". Why, because Damon needed to point the police toward Brenda and Barbara and away from himself. -This could be-
688 posted on 06/29/2002 12:08:42 AM PDT by juzcuz
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To: All
Those transcripts from the hearing are up - here's a relevant part...

MR. FELDMAN: YOUR HONOR, BUT WHILE WE'RE STILL HERE, IF I MAY, THERE'S AN ISSUE OF REBUTTAL, TOO. THE PROSECUTION HAS GIVEN US MANY OTHER WITNESSES, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO SANDBAGGING. THEY KNOW WE'RE CALLING FAULKNER OR WE'RE LIKELY TO CALL FAULKNER WHO IS THE FORENSIC ENTOMOLOGIST WHO'S WRITTEN A REPORT THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS DANIELLE VAN DAM COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE LOCATION SHE WAS ANY SOONER THAN THE 16TH. THAT'S WHAT THE REPORT --

MR. CLARKE: EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT.

MR. DUSEK: WHAT HE SAYS IS UNIMPORTANT AT THIS POINT UNLESS WE'RE TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE JURORS OUT THERE WATCHING THIS ON T.V.

THE COURT: THEY BETTER NOT BE WATCHING IT ON T.V.

MR. FELDMAN: I WOULD HOPE NOT...

689 posted on 06/29/2002 12:15:00 AM PDT by mommya
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And here's another keeper...

MR. FELDMAN: I WOULD HOPE NOT.

BUT I'M GETTING PRESSED FOR OFFERS. I'M JUST TRYING TO ARTICULATE THIS POSITION. THEY KNOW WHAT FAULKNER HAS TO SAY, WHATEVER, HOWEVER THEY WANT TO SPIN IT, THEY KNOW WHAT THE REPORT SAYS. THAT DOES NOT IN OUR VIEW ENTITLE THEM TO SANDBAG THE JURY AND THE COURT TO SPRING A BUNCH OF DEHESA WITNESSES, AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS WITNESSES THAT HAVE BEEN COMING TO US IN THE DISCOVERY, NUMEROUS, MAYBE TEN, MAYBE MORE THAN THAT, I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY RECALL THE NUMBERS, IN VERY LATE REPORTS, WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE, THREE WEEKS. WE KEEP GETTING REPORTS BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATION, ACCORDING TO THE PROSECUTION, IS ONGOING. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET AMBUSHED.

So it appears that it is the prosecution who will have witnesses from Dehesa - not the Defense.

690 posted on 06/29/2002 12:21:06 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya
The investigation is ongoing?
691 posted on 06/29/2002 12:24:14 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: mommya
So it appears that it is the prosecution who will have witnesses from Dehesa - not the Defense.

Since the prosecution might call (not definite) only one more witness, when would the parade of Dehesa witnesses come forth? Can the prosecution still call witnesses after they rest? I had originally thought that Feldman said that many Dehesa witnesses were coming forward TO THE DEFENSE. Guess the transcript states otherwise, but why are they coming so late -- last 3 weeks? Do they want their 5 mins. of fame, too? If they knew anything, they should've come forward in February/March, not in June right before the prosecution rests.

692 posted on 06/29/2002 1:20:42 AM PDT by sbnsd
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To: dread78645
Good programming practice has become rather "iffy", especially under MS-Windows.

That's an understatement.

693 posted on 06/29/2002 1:23:25 AM PDT by sbnsd
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To: All
Check this out - it is very probably irrelevant - but interesting none the less. Here's the link The dates for this are in 2002. The areas - I believe - include some around big bear. I know Bill Libby has the cabin and all - but would they still have gone to a resort like place to actually do the snowboarding? Or does one just snowboard anywhere? Make of it what you will.

Ladies first

Let's see. It's late January; the hills are aswamp in snow; the NFL is about to wrap up its season; college hoops is just getting warmed up, and everyone around the Edge of Western Civilization Cantina and Repair Shoppe is looking forward to the upcoming XIX Olympic Winter Games.

Hmmm. That could mean only one thing: It's time for the fifth annual Take Your Daughter to the Snow Week, which takes place Jan. 28-Feb. 3.

Once again Picabo Street, the two-time Olympic medalist (super-G gold in '98, downhill silver in '94), is the official spokesperson for the nationwide event, and she heartily endorses the promotion.

"Participating in snowsports is a great way for a family to enjoy exercise and the great outdoors together," she says. "Daughter Week offers something for everyone. I invite you to take advantage of the many activities being offered for alpine and nordic skiers, snowboarders and snowshoers."

Another Olympic veteran, Nina Kemppel, who recently won her 16th national cross country ski championship, is also an enthusiastic backer of Daughter Week. "Cross country skiing is my passion and I want everybody possible to share it with me," she says. "I encourage all moms and dads to take your daughters out to the ski trails."

Many of the ski and snowboard resorts in California and Nevada are partaking in Daughter Week to various degrees, with discounted lift tickets and/or lessons being the major draw. However, some resorts are limiting the promotion to parents and their adolescent (or younger) children, while others will include women of any age or relationship (nieces, moms, grandmoms, sisters, etc); it's best to check with specific resorts to find out what they are offering.

Resorts within the Cantina's sphere of influence participating in Daughter Week include Badger Pass, Bear Valley, Bear Valley Cross Country Center, Big Bear Mountain, Diamond Peak, Dodge Ridge, Homewood, Kirkwood, Montecito-Sequoia Lodge Cross Country Center, Mountain High, Mount Rose, Northstar-at-Tahoe, Royal Gorge, Snow Summit, Snow Valley, Squaw Valley, Sugar Bowl and Tahoe Donner. Also, two retail chains (Any Mountain in the Bay Area and Peter Glenn of Vermont in Southern California) will have Daughter Week promotions.

694 posted on 06/29/2002 1:45:52 AM PDT by mommya
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To: dread78645; Valpal1
I guess what I'm asking is something different: not whether a cadaver dog could find a body that had been hidden for more than three days (meaning the dog would find a scent of a target body), but if a body had been in a location, then removed so that it was no longer there--would a scent remain in the location where that body had once been (and is not now) for over three days? Sounds like the article indicates a range for all dogs finding the target body (meaning the target IS a body) is around three hours. I'm wondering if there would still be a scent to even track if the body were NO LONGER there and had not been there for 3 or more days. (Am I making sense? or scents?)
695 posted on 06/29/2002 3:42:20 AM PDT by shezza
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To: mommya
Thanks Mommya for finding and posting that.
696 posted on 06/29/2002 8:05:40 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
no problemo.
697 posted on 06/29/2002 8:24:38 AM PDT by mommya
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To: UCANSEE2; Mrs.Liberty; demsux; Jaded; skipjackcity; RnMomof7; spectre; Poohbah; BARLF; Valpal1; ...
Ping...NEW WEEKEND DISCUSSION THREAD
698 posted on 06/29/2002 8:25:42 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: shezza
no longer there--would a scent remain in the location where that body had once been (and is not now) for over three days?

Ok, I see what you mean. On some of the websites that deal with traing the dog, it mentions the dog might alert at a spot without the target --the body was put down for a few minutes.

I seem to remember a factoid that a dog could search on a "live" scent (lost children, prison escapees, etc.) up to 48 hours old. I'd think the "dead" scent would be about the same.

699 posted on 06/29/2002 8:35:46 AM PDT by dread78645
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To: mommya
Don't you think it's a little convenient to suddenly be remembering seening an RV on one of 3 nights in February?
700 posted on 06/29/2002 8:43:09 AM PDT by Jaded
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