Man who sued to stop pledge explains reasons for suit

SF Chronicle via AP ^ | 6/26/02 | STEFANIE FRITH

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow said Wednesday he was trying to restore the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1954 version because no one should be forced to worship a religion in which they don't believe.

But if the threatening messages on his answering machine are any indication, the American public is not thanking him.

[aristeides]

Did Newdow go to law school (Univ. of Michigan) before he went to med school?

[Publius6961]

If I lived next to this idiot, I'd hang a very large flag on my property and say the pledge with my family every morning, loud enough for him to hear.

I work in Elk Grove and travel in the Sacramento area regularly...

I got to get a "One Nation Under God" bumper sticker...
And hope this loser is stuck behind me in traffic soon.

Hmmmm.
"One Nation Under God" tee shirts?

[aristeides]

He did it pro se, i.e., representing himself, and he intends to continue to do that if the case goes en banc or to the Supreme Court.

[Utopia]

Then why didn't they plaster God throughout?
I have no idea what you are talking about

Because reasonable people prevailed.
Nihilists frequently see themselves as reasonable. They are not. They are simply out to smash everything . Don't tell me, lemme guess - You're probably a napster type, software pirate --- music is free - software is free -- I-have-the-right-to-your-property-so-I-will-take-it-type?

In the end, this is not about God, its about destroying nihilism.

[Dick Vomer]

What a disgrace to the Emergency Room physicians.... of this great GOD fearing nation.

[ArmoredCav]

I heard from a lawyer buddy that MD/JD's are neither good lawyers or docs- too much education, too little application of what are nearly polar opposites (medicine's goal is to eliminate the cause for its own existence, law only grows and expands the cause for its existence)

[Utopia]

He did it pro se, i.e., representing himself, and he intends to continue to do that if the case goes en banc or to the Supreme Court.

But my point is, this costs money. Even if he were doing it himself, he'd have little time for anything else. Where is the other $$ coming from to support him and his child? My instinct tells me that there is more to this than a guy with a grudge.

[aristeides]

I'd be surprised if it turned out he was not really working as an ER doc. But I would not be surprised to learn that his briefs and pleadings are largely written by law school profs and radical outfits.

[Utopia]

Was it a leftist who just posted "I hope decent, real Americans make this guy's life a living hell" a few posts back?

Ther person who posted that, posted it in anger on a Bulletin Board. They did not go into court in an attempt to curtail your liberty.

[muawiyah]

An "establishment of religion" is what they have in Denmark, Sweden, United Kingdom and Vatican City.

I find it truly amazing that atheists have so much less brainpower than Christians that it is not possible for them to yank their kids out of government schools and simply homeschool them.

A personal note to you, though, where you claim that being a veteran makes you more patriotic than the rest of the folks here, I too am a veteran, of the US Army Infantry, and if you didn't do at least that, or maybe the Marines, you simply don't measure up to me.

Now, what do you think about the laws that limit or prohibit dueling? I think they are wrong, and hopelessly religiously biased. We need to get rid of them.

[Utopia]

But I would not be surprised to learn that his briefs and pleadings are largely written by law school profs and radical outfits.

Neither would I. This fellow is not acting alone.

[DJ88]

"Gosh, I hope you're right. This might just be what wakes up the populace and drives the stake right through the heart of liberalism once and for all!"

I think, GG, that today I saw a nation rise up out of anger and disgust and spoke their minds. Today, I witnessed people being citizens, not spectators. I could not get through to my Senators in Washington because the lines were so jammed. I finally got through after an hour of trying their offices in Tampa. I was only ONE of 2000+ callers. The poor girl answering the phone said that she has NEVER seen a reaction like this from the American people in all the years she has been working there. (Graham's office). I said, "Good. It's about time that Americans stand up to the plate and started taking their country back....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. And, if they don't like it here, they can leave...I am sick and tired of people complaining about what they have to "suffer" in the name of God. If they don't want to say the evil word "God", then they don't have to. We've seen what's happened to our country in the last 30 years....it's gone to hell in a handbasket and September 11th was the first wake-up call." This may very well be the last straw for Americans in this country. Either the lawmakers do something about it, or we will have to.

It is time that the minorities that rant and rave about how badly they are treated here get a one-way ticket out of this country. Let him and his 2nd grade daughter go to some country where they don't worship any gods. You won't find any. God is whoever you want him/her to be.

[bannedonce]

Crime is sky-rocketing. Spousal cheating is souring. Aids is souring. Children are killing there parents. Parents are killing there children. Heck people are eating each other. People are becoming completely self centered. You can't leave your doors unlocked. You can't walk down the streets safely in places that you always could.

How do you explain this when 85-95% of Americans say they believe in God? If the remaining 5-15% of us godless people are responsible for this, I have to admit I've really been slacking...

[Toast on a Stick]

What do you mean by "as an atheist" in this context? How does one respond "as an atheist", or, for that matter, how does one do anything at all "as an atheist"? I'm told that atheism is not a belief, idea, notion or ideology; that there is no such thing as an "atheist idea"; that no atheists necessarily share anything in common; and that pumpkins and doorknobs are atheists. So, how does someone do something "as an atheist"? Would that be like, say, shaving "as a pumpkin"?

I'd be willing to bet you've been talking to Dimensio. Hahahaha. Did you get the dictionary definition too?

By the by. I only addressed you, Dimensio, since I referred to you in my post.

[GatorGirl]

*sigh*

RW, you're never going to get an answer to this because this idiot's apolgists CAN'T answer it.

Keep up the good work...GG

[mjf]

nice post - I always am enthralled by that series of statements!

[thrcanbonly1]

Was his violating his separation of church and state by giving money to Christian missionaries?

Not if it was his own money.

[twntaipan]

Mighty white and Christian of you.

Mighty bigoted of you--oops...I forgot---atheists can't be bigotes. Sorry for the slip...NOT.