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White House Says Court Ruling On Pledge Is 'Wrong'(Graham: Constitutional Amendment If Necessary)
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 6/26/02 | Jim Burns

Posted on 06/26/2002 3:17:41 PM PDT by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - The White House Wednesday called a California appeals court ruling on the Pledge of Allegiance "wrong," and announced that the Justice Department plans to take action.

The Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the pledge is unconstitutional and should not be recited in schools, because the phrase "under God" violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution.

"The view of the White House is that this was a wrong decision and the Department of Justice is now evaluating how to seek redress," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said.

"The Declaration of Independence refers to God as the creator four different times. Congress begins each session of the Congress each day with a prayer and our currency says 'In God We Trust,'" he said.

Fleischer emphasized that the decision is one from a circuit court that only affects nine states and not a national court decision.

"I think that people are very naturally ... going to react strongly opposed to this," he said. "I think this decision will not sit well with the American people and it certainly does not sit well with the president of the United States.

"I think most Americans have faith in God, and they are going to express [their faith] and the pledge everyday that they can," he said.

Meanwhile, Rev. Lou Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition said the ruling should be a wake-up call for President Bush to appoint more conservative court judges -- even if it means bypassing the Senate.

"We can expect more anti-God decisions like the one just handed down by the judicial tyrants in San Francisco, if we don't get good conservative judges on the federal bench," Sheldon said. "Senators Daschle, Leahy, and McCain need to get out of the way and confirm Bush's nominees quickly.

"We're sick and tired of Tom Daschle blocking the confirmation of God-fearing judges like Charles Pickering," he continued. "Americans want men like Pickering on the bench who respect America's religious heritage and understand that we truly are a nation under God.

"If Senators Daschle, Leahy, and McCain don't get out of the way this week, I think it's time for President Bush to begin making recess appointments of his judicial nominees," he said. "Enough is enough!"

Rep. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a member of the House Judiciary Committee, vowed to go a step further if needed.

"If necessary, I will offer a constitutional amendment to ensure Americans can voluntarily say the [Pledge of Allegiance] in public and private settings without being in violation of the law," said Graham.

"The reference in the Pledge to being 'one nation under God' is in no way the establishment of religion by the government. If America ever needed God's blessing and guidance, it's now," he concluded.

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To: mlo
It does not prevent your children from saying it. As far as I can tell, it does not prevent a teacher from reciting it without the "under god".

Do you personally have a problem with the 'under God' part? I'm assuming you do, as you neglected to capitalize the word 'God' in the context of a Supreme Being.

201 posted on 06/27/2002 1:25:14 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: analog
It's amusing to see so many religious conservatives fighting to maintain a pledge originally written by a socialist who was kicked out of the Baptist Church for his liberal views.

I don't quite understand what is relevant about the fact that he was a socialist. If an individual Democrat and an individual Republican can agree on a single issue, why can't a Republican and a socialist agree on a single issue? Our founding fathers debated over and offered dissenting viewpoints on just about every topic that was included in the Constitution, and yet they still held some political viewpoints in common. Also, having been kicked out of a church for one's liberal views is somewhat different than being liberal in a political sense. In reference to the doctrines of most religions, it doesn't take much of a dissenting viewpoint to be considered "liberal" by the church.

203 posted on 06/27/2002 2:22:40 AM PDT by usadave
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To: Grampa Dave
Gramps. Up the meds. I voted for Bush, both as governor and President. But I'll call a spade a spade. His spending spree stinks.
204 posted on 06/27/2002 6:00:11 AM PDT by Sid Rich
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To: rwfromkansas
I haven't gone into any convulsions...thanks for the concern. And I don't say any of the Pledge. Haven't for years.
205 posted on 06/27/2002 6:01:19 AM PDT by Sid Rich
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To: mlo
Freedom OF religion means that the state should not impose yours on my children.

Impose WHAT religion? Tell me, specifically, what religion (Catholicism, Bhuddism, Santaria, Wicca, Scientology) is being imposed upon your children when a teacher leads the Pledge, and how it is being imposed, seeing as how they have the freedom to not say it.

If your argument is that "well my children are athiests", then obviously God does not exist, therefore your children are being harmed by nothing. Do you freak out in the supermarket and cover your children's eyes when you see a box of Lucky Charms? After all, the store is imposing it's belief in leprechauns.

Since this republic is founded on the notion that our rights are endowed by our Creator and our system of government and it's Constitution are blessed by our Creator, aknowledging the same is, by definition, Constitutional. The Constitution rests upon the Declaration of Independence. The two are inseparable, or else they mean nothing.

The Pledge will prevail, the famously overturned 9th not-whitstanding. Any mealy mouthed ungrateful little brats that don't like it can just wipe their snotty noses and shut up.

206 posted on 06/27/2002 6:39:56 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: deport
McCain had nothing to do with this assinine ruling by California's appeal court--the judge that made the ruling, in fact, was appointed by Dubyah's old man. But what did you expect, Dubyah's old man appointed David Souter to the SC too!
207 posted on 06/27/2002 6:42:57 AM PDT by meandog
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To: FreeReign
Playing Red Skelton's reading of the Pledge on private radio stations is a bad thing because radio stations are private? What do you mean?

It's not illegal to play the pledge on private radio, or in any private setting, therefore, there is no "civil disobedience", in that act. So what is the point , then?

208 posted on 06/27/2002 6:53:15 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: mlo
Oh baloney. I can tell from your posts that you agree with the ruling. Anybody who agrees with this ruling can go to hell or live in California (no difference).
209 posted on 06/27/2002 6:57:16 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: mlo
You are no conservative. Just a liberal who needs a good butt kicking.
210 posted on 06/27/2002 6:59:37 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: mlo
The more I read your posts the more I wish I could jump through the computer! You are the biggest Clymer at FR.
211 posted on 06/27/2002 7:02:17 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: BJClinton
How does the President go about bypassing the Senate?
An EO works just fine if it isn't challenged.
IIRC 90 days is all it takes.
212 posted on 06/27/2002 7:19:32 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: meandog; Howlin

Typical McC... can't get your facts straight. Would you like to find a URL that states that the Judges ruling in favor of this opinon were either one appointed by Bush X41? I bet you can't because neither was...... but you knew that or maybe a McCaniac didn't. Judge Fernandez, who desented was appointed by President Bush, X41. The other two Judges with concurring opinions were appointed by Nixon and Carter....

Now, do you think McC will continue to obstruct judicial appointments?

213 posted on 06/27/2002 7:22:53 AM PDT by deport
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To: The Raven
How does that work?
Executive Order?
214 posted on 06/27/2002 7:24:31 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: VOA
I can't help wonder if this ruling isn't the beginning of the end of the public school system

I am thinking the same thing. When the public money is removed from the system, the power to dictate this nonsense goes away. The Boy Scouts told the govt to stick their UNICEF and federal support, sticking to their religious principles (banning gay scout leaders) . That appears to be what needs to happen with parents and school kids across the nation to maintain our religious principles and freedoms.

While the terrorists attack the nation and our way of life from the outside, the leftists/non-believers attack us from within. Both are just as dangerous.

215 posted on 06/27/2002 7:26:41 AM PDT by Magnum44
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To: ohioman
You are no conservative. Just a liberal who needs a good butt kicking.

And you have added such reasoned discussion to this topic. /sarcasm

If you can't handle disagreement you shouldn't hang around here. BTW, conservatives can be, and many are, opposed to mixing religion in state business.

216 posted on 06/27/2002 8:17:21 AM PDT by mlo
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To: deport
The judge was appointed by Bush I...check it out yourself. As for McCain, he has had nothing to do with blocking appointments of Bush II. Those appointments are being blocked by Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judicial Committee!.
217 posted on 06/27/2002 9:03:04 AM PDT by meandog
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To: Sid Rich
As is your right guaranteed by the First Amendment.
218 posted on 06/27/2002 9:23:44 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: southern rock
It's not illegal to play the pledge on private radio, or in any private setting, therefore, there is no "civil disobedience", in that act. So what is the point , then?

There is more to the pledge than civil disobedience. BTW, the airwaves I believe are publicly owned -- private comapanies need a government license to use them. Thus civil disobedience would still apply.

219 posted on 06/27/2002 9:30:55 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: meandog

Well you McCainiacs are having trouble again with the facts, if you mean the Judge that wrote the decision. What part of the following do you not understand......

Profile of Judge Alfred T. Goodwin

Copyright and Trademark Notice | Disclaimer | Revised: 1/1/01

Use the Profile Comment Form to submit your own impressions for inclusion on this page.

Court: United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit

Appointed by: President Nixon, 1971

Profile of Judge Ferdinand F. Fernandez

Copyright and Trademark Notice | Disclaimer | Revised: 3/13/01

Use the Profile Comment Form to submit your own impressions for inclusion on this page.

Court: United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit

Appointed by: President Bush, 1989

Now do you want to still say the Judge that wrote the opinion was a Bush Appointee?

220 posted on 06/27/2002 10:07:59 AM PDT by deport
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