Posted on 06/26/2002 3:17:41 PM PDT by kattracks
Do you personally have a problem with the 'under God' part? I'm assuming you do, as you neglected to capitalize the word 'God' in the context of a Supreme Being.
I don't quite understand what is relevant about the fact that he was a socialist. If an individual Democrat and an individual Republican can agree on a single issue, why can't a Republican and a socialist agree on a single issue? Our founding fathers debated over and offered dissenting viewpoints on just about every topic that was included in the Constitution, and yet they still held some political viewpoints in common. Also, having been kicked out of a church for one's liberal views is somewhat different than being liberal in a political sense. In reference to the doctrines of most religions, it doesn't take much of a dissenting viewpoint to be considered "liberal" by the church.
Impose WHAT religion? Tell me, specifically, what religion (Catholicism, Bhuddism, Santaria, Wicca, Scientology) is being imposed upon your children when a teacher leads the Pledge, and how it is being imposed, seeing as how they have the freedom to not say it.
If your argument is that "well my children are athiests", then obviously God does not exist, therefore your children are being harmed by nothing. Do you freak out in the supermarket and cover your children's eyes when you see a box of Lucky Charms? After all, the store is imposing it's belief in leprechauns.
Since this republic is founded on the notion that our rights are endowed by our Creator and our system of government and it's Constitution are blessed by our Creator, aknowledging the same is, by definition, Constitutional. The Constitution rests upon the Declaration of Independence. The two are inseparable, or else they mean nothing.
The Pledge will prevail, the famously overturned 9th not-whitstanding. Any mealy mouthed ungrateful little brats that don't like it can just wipe their snotty noses and shut up.
It's not illegal to play the pledge on private radio, or in any private setting, therefore, there is no "civil disobedience", in that act. So what is the point , then?
Typical McC... can't get your facts straight. Would you like to find a URL that states that the Judges ruling in favor of this opinon were either one appointed by Bush X41? I bet you can't because neither was...... but you knew that or maybe a McCaniac didn't. Judge Fernandez, who desented was appointed by President Bush, X41. The other two Judges with concurring opinions were appointed by Nixon and Carter....
Now, do you think McC will continue to obstruct judicial appointments?
I am thinking the same thing. When the public money is removed from the system, the power to dictate this nonsense goes away. The Boy Scouts told the govt to stick their UNICEF and federal support, sticking to their religious principles (banning gay scout leaders) . That appears to be what needs to happen with parents and school kids across the nation to maintain our religious principles and freedoms.
While the terrorists attack the nation and our way of life from the outside, the leftists/non-believers attack us from within. Both are just as dangerous.
And you have added such reasoned discussion to this topic. /sarcasm
If you can't handle disagreement you shouldn't hang around here. BTW, conservatives can be, and many are, opposed to mixing religion in state business.
There is more to the pledge than civil disobedience. BTW, the airwaves I believe are publicly owned -- private comapanies need a government license to use them. Thus civil disobedience would still apply.
Well you McCainiacs are having trouble again with the facts, if you mean the Judge that wrote the decision. What part of the following do you not understand......
Profile of Judge Alfred T. Goodwin
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Court: United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Appointed by: President Nixon, 1971
Profile of Judge Ferdinand F. Fernandez
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Court: United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Appointed by: President Bush, 1989
Now do you want to still say the Judge that wrote the opinion was a Bush Appointee?
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