9TH CIRCUIT COURT: PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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[Recovering_Democrat]

UNBELIEVABLE. BREAKING ON FOX: SF APPEALS COURT SAYS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ENDORSES RELIGION, AND IS THEREBY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

[Sabertooth]

Why does a set of communist beliefs have more rights than a set of Christian beliefs?

"So that we can prove we're better than the Nazis."

[MJY1288]

It's not just you, tpaine enjoys being the NOID

[Mo1]

Thanks for the Correction .. the red is MUCH better

[AmishDude]

tpaine, is it just me, or are you being an ass again?

It's not you, he's a perpetual malcontent.

[mlo]

What about the above reasoning do you find unbelievable?

One flaw is that something as significant as the Pledge of Allegiance to Our Nation, has a legal weight comparable to a Constitutional amendment -- in other words it is INVIOLABLE BY ANY COURT. It is a PLEDGE taken under free will and has no true legal ramifications -- only moral ones.

Nonsense. The Constitution is the law of the land. The pledge has no legal standing as law. The court did not address the wording of the pledge in the abstract (which you would think by the irrational responses posted here), it addressed the case of an agent of the state reciting it in a public institution.

A PLEDGE is like a ethical contract, designed by the author in TERMS HE DETERMINES FIT.

So? That's fine for the author. It is not fine for a teacher leading a class in a state school.

I do not support mandatory pledges.

Then you agree with the court?

I am also meta-agnostic (I dont understand what I mean by God), but this ruling brings me more sadness and anger than the events of 9-11.

Absurdity. Get a grip.

If I had a flag I would burn it right now, this ruling symbolically marks the spiritual death of a nation, and I will not recognise this zombie-America as my own.

Anyone who blames this on 'three silly judges' is willfully blind to the maggots on her corpse.

[mhking]

Kids have a right in a public school not to be endoctrinated on the subject of religion

I'm sorry - you mean to tell me that the inclusion of two words - "under God" - means that schools are endoctrinating religion!? Would you kindly tell me what religion that they are promoting? I would insist that most (if not all) religions have a single God (or god, if you insist) at the head of whatever pantheon that is central to their belief structure. The pledge acknowleges that fact, by not singling out the Christian nor Jewish nor Islamic nor any other perception of God.

I would say that this father is wrong to impose his beliefs on the masses.

In the Florida case (which the father lost by the way), the school offered the opportunity for his child to step out of the room or otherwise be excused from saying the pledge. The father insisted that this was not good enough, because his child should not have to listen to others recite the pledge in school. Hence his decision to move across the country and to bring his suit in a different court.

[McGavin999]

No he doesn't. He's fighting the establishment of Atheism as the official religion of state with every fiber of his being.

[gdani]

And if appealed, I am not sure with Justice Souter and O'Connor we are going to see a reversal.

IT WAS REMANDED = not going to Supreme Court. (At least not now).

[B Knotts]

FYI, these are federal judges. There is no mechanism to recall them.

Chief Justice Rose Bird was on the state Supreme Court.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The ninth Circus court of appeals has had more cases overturned than all others combined. Red Skelton predicted this years ago.

[The Iguana]

Another great moment in American jurisprudence from the Ninth Circuit.

[fuzzthatwuz]

Does this decision send a good message to our troops engaged in a war? Same kind of crap our military put up with while fighting in Viet Nam. While they are risking their lives, some arrogant bast***s are undermining our country's values and security. Great to be politically correct unless you are under fire. We are literally fighting for our survival against those who are more than willing to die for their God (Allah). This ruling will not be allowed to stand...

[Ligeia]

I was driving in my car when I first heard this and the howl on FR drowned out my radio.

[Lucas1]

Yeah well for your information...they were talking about the Government having ONE ESTABLISHED RELIGION....they did not ever say that God should not be included in Government. In fact JUST THE OPPOSITE....the Founding Fathers had a lot to say about GOD....read the papers they wrote! Get your facts straight

[RooRoobird14]

Not surprised by the ruling--the 9th Circuit is as depraved and twisted as the city it's based in. That ruling will be thrown out by the Supremes--looking forward to it.

[MoscowMike]

Howdy

Not so fast, you're among like minded believers in America here, it is not time to give up the battle and leave the greatest hope for mankind in the hands of the moronic liberal tin foil hat wearing barbarians that are so unable to apply their miniscule intellects constructively that such an insane decision as this can be handed down during a war.

The discussion should center on what response should be made to this disgusting ruling.

I'd say it is not time yet for violent confrontation against these sixties era relics, I think that impeachment is the way to go. These sixth jerkuit schlameels MUST be removed by impeachment and the process has GOT to start NOW, we should be looking for a high profile person to head the effort.

Any suggestions people?

[sayfer bullets]

"Congress shall make no Law respecting the Establishment of Religion, or prohibiting the free Exercise thereof;" 141

Now you know why the left operates through the courts.

Looks to me like the definition of 'conservative' just earned a greater scrutiny.

[mhking]

Satan finishes the press release by announcing the efforts to reclaim the House of Representatives and finish off the country by getting Hillary Rodham Clinton elected president.

[LOL] I love it!

[CecilRhodesGhost]

I agree with you that this judge should be able to remain outside the loud and angry voices. His role is to be insulated and above criticism by the masses. There shouldn't be any political pressure on judges.

[Constitution Day]

Thanks for the Correction ..

An addition. People may have missed it.