House Will Vote on GOOD BILL to Improve the E.S.A.

American Land Rights Association | 06-24-02 | American Land Rights Association

[Justanumba]

**GOOD NEWS: Votes on E.S.A.!

THIS Wednesday, June 26, votes will be taken in the House of Representatives Resources Committee on a GOOD BILL to improve the Endangered Species Act!!!

ACTION ITEMS BELOW.

Bill number HR 4840 requires "sound science" - solid, valid, legitimate scientific data - to place a species on the endangered species list. This may sound like common sense to most of us. But the leftwing environmentalists are in a tizzy over this bill - they can't stand the idea of actually having their incomplete and fraudulent scientific data reviewed before a species can be claimed as endangered.

HR 4840 was put together by a longtime property rights Champion, Representative Richard Pombo, who is Chairman of the Western Caucus. He is joined in this effort by Representative Greg Walden, who represents the Klamath Falls area in Oregon, and has seen first hand the scams perpetrated using the Endangered Species Act.

Pombo and Walden are proposing many excellent improvements to the ESA, specifically improvements to the process of listing species. They include, quoting directly from HR 4840:

1) Using field tested data. To determine whether a species should be listed, the government "shall give greater weight to any scientific or commercial study or other information that has been field-tested or peer-reviewed."

2) Including background information on species. Petitions to list a species must include the species "current known and historic ranges," "population estimates and trends," and a demonstration that alleged decline in a species is "beyond the normal fluctuations for the species."

3) Inviting data from all sources, including property owners. The government is required to "acknowledge receipt of data regarding the status of a species that collected by an owner of land."

4) Independent scientific review. The bill establishes independent review boards, and has them "review the adequacy of any scientific methodology used" to list a species.

5) Public Access Information received proposing the listing of a species "shall be made available to the public."

Sounds like common sense, right? To you and me maybe. But the greenies are VERY UPSET that their endangered species listing scam - no science, ignore competing data, done in secret - may be overturned and exposed to the light of day! They oppose the Pombo-Walden bill.

YOU NEED TO BE HEARD!!!!!

ACTION ITEMS:

FIRST, THANK our Champions - Representatives Richard Pombo and Greg Walden for proposing common sense improvements to the ESA, and for being willing to do battle with the eco-extremists who want to use the ESA to lock up land.

Rpombo @ mail.house.gov is Richard Pombo's address. Greg.walden @mail.house.gov is Greg Walden's address.

SECOND, CONTACT ALL members of the House Resources Committee and tell them to vote YES for HR 4840.

RESOURCES COMMITTEE LIST WITH FAX NUMBERS AND E-MAIL ADDRESSES -- 107th -- Congress (In State Order) (Save this list)

Don Young (R-AK)-FAX: (202) 225-0425 don.young@mail.house.gov

Jeff Flake (R-AZ)---FAX: (202) 226 4386 jeff.flake@mail.house.gov

Elton Gallegly (R-CA)-FAX: (202) 225-1100 -- Go to website: www.house.gov/gallegly/

Ken Calvert (R-CA)---FAX: (202) 225-2004 Go to website: www.house.gov/calvert/

Richard Pombo (R-CA)---FAX: (202) 226-0861 rpombo@mail.house.gov

George Radanovich (R-CA)---FAX: (202) 225-3402 Go to website: www.house.gov/radanovich/

Calvin Dooley (D-CA)---FAX: (202) 225 9308 Go to website: www.house.gov/dooley/

Joel Hefley (R-CO)---FAX: (202) 225-1942 No E-mail

Scott McInnis (R-CO)---FAX: (202) 226-0622 Go to website: www.house.gov/mcinnis/

Bob Schaffer (R-CO)---FAX: (202) 225 5870 rep.schaffer@mail.house.gov

Thomas Tancredo (R-CO)---FAX: (202) 226 4623 tom.tancredo@mail.house.gov

Mike Simpson (R-ID)---FAX: (202) 225 8216 mike.simpson@mail.house.gov

C.L. "Butch" Otter (R-ID)---FAX: (202) 225 3029 butch.otter@mail.house.gov

Mark Souder (R-IN)---FAX: (202) 225 3479 souder@mail.house.gov

Billy Tauzin (R-LA)-FAX: (202) 225-0563 Go to website: www.house.gov/tauzin/

Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD)---FAX: (202) 225-0254 Go to website: www.house.gov/gilchrest/

Dennis Rehberg (R-MT)---FAX: (202) 225 5687 denny.rehberg@mail.house.gov

Walter Jones JR (R-NC)---FAX: (202) 225-3286 cong.jones@mail.house.gov

Thomas Osborne (R-NE)---FAX: (202) 226 1385 Go to website: www.house.gov/osborne/

Jim Saxton (R-NJ)-FAX: (202) 225-0778 jim.saxton@mail.house.gov

James Gibbons (R-NV)---FAX: (202) 225 5679 mail.gibbons@mail.house.gov

Greg Walden (R-OR)---FAX: (202) 225 5774 greg.walden@mail.house.gov

John Peterson (R-PA)---FAX: (202) 225 5796 Go to website: www.house.gov/johnpeterson/

James Hansen (R-UT) Chairman--FAX: (202) 225-5857 Go to website: www.house.gov/hansen/

Chris Channon (R-UT)---FAX: (202) 225 5629 cannon.uto3@mail.house.gov

John Duncan (R-TN)---FAX: (202) 225-6440 Go to website: www.house.gov/duncan/

William Thornberry (R-TX)---FAX: (202) 225 3486 Go to website: www.house.gov/thornberry/

Solomon Ortiz (D-TX)---FAX: (202) 226 1134 Go to website: www.house.gov/ortiz/

Barbara Cubin (R-WY)---FAX: (202) 225-3057 Go to website: www.house.gov/cubin/

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[farmfriend]

They should know better than this.

I suspect it is a politically safe thing for them to do. Makes them look good to the conservatives that have been pushing for this without the potential alienation of the enviros. Changing the tide will take work.

[kitchen]

I hope you share it with us, but could you also copy Rep. Scott McInnis (chair of Forests Subcommittee) with that note?

[brityank]

East Coast morning Ping.

Please read through the whole thread above this post; this is not 'a good thing!'^©

[brityank]

East Coast morning Ping.

Please read through the whole thread above this post; this is not 'a good thing!'^©

[Hostage]

Very good point.

But something must be done about people who use environmentalism to further an anti-people agenda. And something must be done to curtail abuses of natural resources and wildlife.

The government must be restrained from taking sides. That means not helping one side or the other with funding or with scientific arguments. What the government does well is to act as repository of information, educational resources, libraries and history. Communities and individuals can work out their differences over their environment while using government resources and expertise, and if necessary as a last resort the judicial process.

Klamath Falls was an example of how government can be manipulated by unsound unbalanced policy. One would hope that now there are working groups of farmers, government natural resource specialists and concerned residents that are in the process of educating themselves how best to manage the land for people and wildlife.

[DLfromthedesert]

I wonder if Henry Lamb has weighed in on this bill.

[Carry_Okie]

Please explain

[EBUCK]

You got that right. I was up Elk scouting this weekend and saw more downed "fuel" than in any year in memory. The whole damned forest is ready to go up and the enviro-nazis won't allow the area to be cleared.

EBUCK

[farmfriend]

Please explain why Cary_Okie's and SierraWasp's comments were CENSORED.

[backhoe]

I understand there was a corrupt data problem earlier that caused some posts to have to be removed.

[blackie]

Must be bad karma... :o)

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

[farmfriend]

I was hoping it was something like that but we have received no answer to our inquiries.

[Admin Moderator]

There was a technical problem earlier today, John had to remove many comments from the threads.

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Corrupt Data

27 posted on 6/25/02 7:11 AM Pacific by (Unknown)
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Corrupt Data

28 posted on 6/25/02 7:17 AM Pacific by (Unknown)
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[Carry_Okie]

I saved them from an old screen. Do you want me to put them up?

[Admin Moderator]

Sure, go ahead. I don't have them, I posted for you what I see.

[Phil V.]

This AM the FreeRepublic server went shittyberserk. One of mine was "censored" too. This time it REALLY WAS computer error.

Look at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/705564/posts?page=385#385

Also look here for one of mine that was "removed/censored" - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/705427/posts?page=114#114

[sauropod]

I value Carry_Okie's work. He has been a tremendous asset to this forum and amongst the land rights community. I have him speaking at the FRIVA event in Las Vegas.

It is exciting and always a learning experience for me to read what he has to say.

Rectitudine Sto. 'Pod

[Carry_Okie]

Thank you for your thoughtful post.

The government must be restrained from taking sides. That means not helping one side or the other with funding or with scientific arguments.

No offense, but as commons are socialized, the government is increasingly taking the "side" of the agencies themselves, reflecting their interests even if they are adverse to the health of endangered species.

What the government does well is to act as repository of information, educational resources, libraries and history.

I shared this view with you about three years ago. What's wrong with private information, particularly intellectual property? That means that there would be advertising and subscription services. Think how many government documents are generated, particularly technical reports. How many of them get to the public? When information is collectivized the condition of that asset deteriorates like any commons. Look at our libraries.

Communities and individuals can work out their differences over their environment while using government resources and expertise, and if necessary as a last resort the judicial process.

This demonstrates a very common misconception: "The environment" is not a community asset, that is, if you are not a socialist. It is a vast web of individual interests that will begin to prosper AND INTEGRATE when private property rights to market habitat management services are respected and that market matures into a web every bit as complex as the ecosystem it manages. The only reason that no one would do that now is that they are competing with an armed monopolist who can use tax money to sell the product at below market. Who would go into the park business when they are competing with the government?

Please, go read the first chapter of Natural Process. I think you'll find it thought-evoking.

Klamath Falls was an example of how government can be manipulated by unsound unbalanced policy.

No, it shows how government was manipulated by economic interests. You just don't know who they were and what were their profit motives. Environmental issues are so complex, that is usually the case. Manipulating resource value is a very profitable business. I like to call it Highly Organized Crime. Sick semper HOC. :-)

One would hope that now there are working groups of farmers, government natural resource specialists and concerned residents that are in the process of educating themselves how best to manage the land for people and wildlife.

I am not hopeful in Klamath. The players are, from what I can tell, a collection of cadres of spoiled children. I have an article on that topic at the website too.

Something must be done all righty, and I do have the beginnings of a plan in the book. The key is to privatize the actual habitat management operations into a market system of checks and balances through the courts. That is what I have desingned. Once we get started, the necessary legislation will become obvious. We are a lot further along politically than Mr. Pombo realizes.

27 posted on 6/25/02 7:11 AM Pacific by Carry_Okie

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