Arizona Burning Because Environmentalists Oppose Thinning The Forests?

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[Retired Chemist]

CALL FOR BETTER FOREST MANAGEMENT

Arizona Gov. Jane Hull compared the fire to an out-of-control train at a press conference Sunday in which she highlighted the need to thin the often-dense forest growth amassed after decades of battling wildland blazes. Some environmentalists have fought the move, saying it would disrupt habitats.

“Mother Nature is saying to Arizona and the West, we have got to clean up these forests,” she said. “Nature is telling us that we got to get this under control.”

[Let's Roll]

"I wonder how the eviro-wacos 'feel' about all this air pollution they've created via their own policies."

We're coughing and hacking all the way over in Albuquerque - air quality warnings on all the newscasts - can't even see the mountains just outside of town - all this is smoke from Arizona fires.

[Ben Hecks]

'Now, if only we could get them to foot the bill for the millions of lost dollars."

This would also seem to be an appropriate time to bring legal action against the Sierra Club and any other organization that has contributed to this mess - saddle them with a liability judgement that would close their doors forever.

[cake_crumb]

"Why aren't the tree huggers moaning these losses?"

THAT is a d@mned good question.

I've always been into conservation in one way or another. Hubby, a Hotshot and also typically a logger, sprouts oak trees on our sunporch. Which we solomnly and without media fanfare PLANT.

I know where you're coming from. Shame that the people who are sooooo demonized by the environazis are the ones with the true love of our outdoors...and those who hug trees - well, if you dropped a treehugger in the middle of the woods, in the middle of a thousand miles of nowhere, could he/she find his/her way out?

(Rhetorical question)

[cake_crumb]

"I wonder how the eviro-wacos 'feel' about all this air pollution they've created via their own policies."

They don't care. It's not part of the POLITICAL agenda.

That's what is so weird and chilling. They didn't care in Briton, while griping about President Bush scrapping Kyoto...and allthewhile they had "alerts" out as people became sick from walking out of their doors and breathing the smoke from THOUSANDS of burning, deisel soaked animals. No one questioned the discrepancy then. No one will question it now.

Besides, we're talking about a bunch who have no problem with releasing thousands of tons of particulates into the atmosphere as they torch a lot full of SUV's (rubber tires, gas filled tanks ) or an entire forest that THEY feel is genetically incompatible with their ideals. Double standards can be SOOOOOO convenient.

[uglybiker]

[DuncanWaring]

who thinned the forests for the millions of years before we were there?

Regular lightning-sparked fires, I would presume.

[Retired Chemist]

OK, who thinned the forests for the millions of years before we were there?

Natural occurring forest fires

[Retired Chemist]

FNC reports that 40% of the Forest Service budget is used defending against legal actions brought by environmental groups!

[ClassicConservative]

Oh, you mean it wasn't enviro-whacko's doing it before the invention of language (or roads, or manufactured fire)? Gee, who'da thunk it?

[SSN558]

Controlled fires can easily get out of control and pollute the atmosphere. Selective logging creates jobs, houses the homeless, and makes the forest healthy. Why do enviro wackos always promote solutions that are in themselves a bigger problem to society and harm the environment ? Why ?

If the Sierria club was what the pretend to be they would be lobbying for logging and trying to stop the burning.

[cake_crumb]

Consider the Trees. They Have no Legs to Run With

ROFLOL...never thought about the poor stationary buggers that way...

I have this theory about treehuggers though: they are soo far out in left field that they are in danger of falling out of Earth's atmosphere unless they hug the treetops....ANCHORS, don'tcha know.

[Retired Chemist]

Pine cones release their seeds when heated! That should tell you something about nature's plan for the forests!

[PhilDragoo]

The haze is in the eyes, blurring.

The throat cannot be quenched.

Sunrise is orange, sunset red, the full moon yellow.

In May of 2000 Bandelier National Monument director Roy Weaver lit a "controlled burn" the night of the new moon with high winds and low humidity--burning 50,000 acres and evacuating Los Alamos National Laboratories.

We must immediately place all lands in the stewardship of the Federal Bureaucracy-EnviroNGO Janus (rhymes with anus).

[cake_crumb]

"FNC reports that 40% of the Forest Service budget is used defending against legal actions brought by environmental groups!"

Yes...that sounds about right...last I checked in 2000. .....GUESS WHEN THE ENVIRONAZI LAWSUITS BECAME SUCH POWEREFUL AND DRAINING (to the taxpayer) POLITICAL TOOLS??? Yep, you guessed the WillyGore "Cars are the root of all evil" administration. That's when they reached the peak.

This year's ENORMOUS and SPECIFIC increases in the forestry (USDA) budget are to cover the environazi lawsuits....and to cover the expenses of fighting the physical damage they cause.

[cake_crumb]

"If the Sierria club was what the pretend to be they would be lobbying for logging and trying to stop the burning"

...But then they'd be like "US", wouldn't they...and maybe...just maybe...they could survive out here in the woods, with the wolves and the mountain lions and the bears and the (allegedly endangered) rattlesnakes....

Dont hold your breath.

[crz]

The seedlings from pine cones can be also planted by hand. Or has that escaped your thought? Play with fire and you will get burned. We've tried the extremists way. Now hit the highway and let the forest be taken care of by those who know how, meaning the logging industry. So to all you wacky extremists..get lost.

[crz]

Fire is not now a viable management tool. Nor should it ever been made a management tool. With the types of forest management offered and practiced in this day and age there is no reason to see it used....EVER!

[cake_crumb]

"In May of 2000 Bandelier National Monument director Roy Weaver lit a "controlled burn" the night of the new moon with high winds and low humidity--burning 50,000 acres and evacuating Los Alamos National Laboratories"

Bless you for bringing up the ugly truth.

This year, the wildfire season MAY be better becaue money to train firefighters wasn't WASTED to AQUIRE hundreds of thousands of acres of land to begin with.

[Retired Chemist]

Periodic natural forset fires thin the forest floor without massive damage to the forest! Stopping these fires causes the tinder to increase and results in the massive disasterous fires we are seeing!

[Paulus Invictus]

You've bought the enviro's forest control prevarication. It's taught in every school and college. The govt has bought it too and post signs and send out press releases all saying that what you claim is the truth. Forests do burn due to lightning strikes and careless campers or arsonists etc, but they burn a lot hotter and over far more acres when the dead fuel underneath the trees is not cleared and the trees are not killed by bark beetles.